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Sustained lead, Swing through, Spot shoot, which?

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  1. ColBuckShot

    ColBuckShot TS Member

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    Im a relative new shooter, about a 93 average for 800 ATA birds (16 yds).
    Please explain your statement: Ride it and squeeze the trigger -- rifle shooting in motion. Is this a sustained lead approach.
    I have a tendancy to ride a bird a fairly long time and dont shoot quick because of it. Im a hopeless one eyed shooter and trail a bird til I catch up and hopefully swing thru it, POA is top front of house.
    Any advice to help me would be greatly appriciated.
     
  2. Mojo

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    Sustained lead or line shooting is the only way to shoot clay targets. You need
    to follow the line the target is taking and shoot the target as you pass thru it continuing on the line well past the impact point. Master this and you master clay target shooting. Look thru your gun with two eyes with a low hold
    on every station. Attack the target from below. Simple really..!
     
  3. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Well-Known Member

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    Mojo said

    "Sustained lead or line shooting is the only way to shoot clay targets. You need to follow the line the target is taking and shoot the target as you pass thru it continuing on the line well past the impact point."

    Sorry that is not Sustained Lead as I was taught but it is swing/pass through.

    Bob Lawless
     
  4. comp 1

    comp 1 Well-Known Member

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    Try that on a grouse or covey of quail and tell me how you do.
     
  5. crusha

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    Wow...advocating sustained lead on a sport where the target path is unknown...looks like a couple people above who have _never_ shot trap at any decent level...
     
  6. DTrykow

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    I don't think about lead when I shoot trap. Not supposed to. Not enough time. The less calulating the better. The High POI takes care of lead. Dave T.
     
  7. crusha

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    Piddle,

    I've seen the video...that gun cam comes from behind on every shot. You are indeed wasting your time.
     
  8. crusha

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    Hang on Zar...I think he's about to show us the "secret handshake"...
     
  9. phirel

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    The very best method is to not know which method you use. Just mount the gun firmly, stay in the gun, see the target and something between your brain and the gun takes care of everything else. Just let your gun shoot and any required lead simply automatically happens.

    For most targets, I am totally unaware of leading birds. Sometimes from the 27 yard line on post five, I do recognize that my gun went off way in front of the hard right hand bird. I have no idea how it got there.

    Pat Ireland
     
  10. highflyer

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    Swing through in trap. Sustained in skeet. Swing through, sustained and pull away in sporting clays.
     
  11. shot410ga

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    Eyes on the target,at all times. Gun will fire automatically when everything is correct.
     
  12. gdbabin

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    My guns quite often fire when everything is INcorrect. I know this is true as I watch the wiley rascal fly away.

    140, do you have a gun for sale guaranteed to only fire automatically when everything is correct?

    Guy Babin
     
  13. maclellan1911

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    eyes on the target, good form and stay in thre gun. I pick up a piece of or the target after the bang follow it through to the ground. This helped me with follow through. I have improved after this advice. SEE IT KILL IT
     
  14. Mike Michalski

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    Seems to me that Mr. Ireland and Zarathrusta speak with the authority of experience.
     
  15. comp 1

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    I see it ,shoot it,kill it--like mr. Ireland sometimes on a severe angle I see some lead AFTER the shot has been made. I think in my case speed equals lead,whether its a hard right at trap or a number 4 stand crossing shot at skeet. I've seen MANY first time skeet shooters break the 2nd shot of doubles . They were surprised since they didn't feel like they led the target. Telling a new shooter to see a set amount of lead causes them to aim,track birds too far,slow down and miss. Just look at the target,go to it,keep swinging and let the gun go off by itself.
     
  16. phirel

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    Mike Michalski - Yes, I do have some experience. I have shot over 400,000 targets (combined singles, handicap and doubles) and have missed around 40,000 targets. I have missed more targets than many shooters have shot. Now, that is real experience.

    Pat Ireland
     
  17. mreinfeld

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    Sustained lead, swing through, spot shoot. You can do all of the above. we can watch all the trap, skeet, and sporting clay videos out there. They will all tell us a different thing. You can sustain your lead, swing through, you can even spot shoot. but I believe if you spot shoot more often than not you will probably miss. reason: we should shoot the target where it is not where the flight pattern is you where we think the bird will go. i.e. wind blowing at any mph. We should also shoot in what position is compfortable and most of all SAFE.
     
  18. Mike Michalski

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    Pat Ireland, Yes it is, and my comment was 100% complimentary. Yours is one of the opinions on TS.COM that has credence. A lot of people voicing opinions are armchair experts whose expertise comes only from reading about other's experiences and opinions. Yours is for real.
     
  19. Satch

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    It's interesting that most of the legendary all-around shotgunners, like Ilseng, Etchen, and Digweed, were/are swing-through shooters.

    George just won the World All-Around again (although Scotty almost beat him this time). Amazingly, he placed second (out of 30 world-class competitors) in American Trap and Skeet, even though he was going up against a number of specialists in those disciplines.
     
  20. Mr Newbius©

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    Pat ... I'm so glad to hear your arm is alright and you will be shooting in Winchester. After that last comment from you I would have thought your arm would be broken after round of back slapping ya did on yourself.
     
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