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substituting primers

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Terry_Maiden, Apr 2, 2011.

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  1. Terry_Maiden

    Terry_Maiden TS Member

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    I am loading mostly Gun Club and Sport Load hulls, a few STS and Nitro 27 as well. Most of the Alliant data specify a Remington 209P primer. I donot have access to this primer but do have: CCI 209, Winchester 209, Fiocchi 616 and Federal 209A. Which primer would you choose to more closely duplicate the Remington 209P?

    I had been using Red Dot but now I have a jug of Promo to use up.
     
  2. leadvail

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    http://www.alliantpowder.com/questions/default.aspx

    They will let you know in a week.

    Bob
     
  3. Quack Shot

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    Call Alliant and get their advice. Substution of components is not always a good idea, esoecially primers. They can vary in pessure by over 3000 PSI or more. A full detail of your load may give someone a little more to go on. How much shot? How much Powder? What Wad?, etc. I would suggest looking for another load using the components you will have on hand.
     
  4. Texas Yankee

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    I have used CCI 209 primers Gun Club hulls, with Red Dot powder for years when I could not get Remington primers. The information is the web site.
     
  5. Shooting Sailor

    Shooting Sailor Well-Known Member

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    A tech at Hogdon told me if I used Winchester instead of Remington primers, to go at least 1/2 grain lower in weight. NOTE : this is advice from Hogdon, not Alliant. Call Alliant and get their advice.
     
  6. goatskin

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    Terry, Red Dot & Remington hulls are a popular combination.

    If you'll list your load (with the 209P), 37 somebodies here load the exact same hull, wad, RD and weight, and have chrono-ed their CCI/Fio/Win primers.

    Generally, the 209P is the mildest of the 'medium strength' primers, and W209 is the hottest, and Alliant's standard recommendation when substituting primers is 'back off a half-grain.'

    If you are pushing RD & 209P to 1200+, that advice is pretty sensible.

    Bob
     
  7. porky

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    Aren't most guns proof tested? I remember a gunsmith from Kreighoff who told me that Kreighoffs were proof tested to 3 times the normal load. I would imagine that other manufacturers proof test at loads higher than the norm. I know that the slugs and field loads at at really high pressures. Other than the lengths of the shells, I haven't heard of manufacturers saying that you can't use different manufactured shells in any given gun. I know that hunters aren't firing their guns as much as target shooters, but there are a lot of hunters that do shoot a lot of field loads through their guns. I believe that the majority of barrel failures are due to obstacles in the barrels and not due to pressures in the breech.
     
  8. Quack Shot

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    tigman46

    There are a LOT of published loads using the CCCI209M primers. I find them to work great with slower powders, even at low temperatures. I use them in a few of my favored handicap loads, even at 1200 fps. They also work great in large straight tube hulls like the Federal Gold Medals.
     
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    Buy the Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook 5th Edition and download the reloading information - in the form of a booklet- from IMR/Hodgdon and you will be able to look up almost any combination of tested loads you might need.
     
  10. Unknown1

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    209M primers aren't usually used with ight shot loads (7/8 oz)

    MK
     
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