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Stupid citizen conspiracy theorists

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  1. wireguy

    wireguy TS Member

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    It's a good thing that our government is calm and together. It would be terrible if the government, and not merely the citizenry started believing this stuff:

    From Townhall.com

    Why Does Obama Need 1.6 Billion Bullets?


    Diana West


    Mar 15, 2013


    Why Does Obama Need 1.6 Billion Bullets?

    Dear Mainstream Media,

    Back in 2008, candidate Barack Obama went off his teleprompter and added a couple of sentences to the text of a speech about expanding the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps. Over rolling applause, the soon-to-be president of the United States said: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

    At the time, Joseph Farah of WND.com wrote a column calling on you to help shine a light on what this shocking statement really meant. In a permanent state of vapors over Obama's candidacy, you were of no use when it came to extracting anything but press releases from Team Obama.

    Nearly five years later, it hardly matters that candidate Obama's promise to double the Peace Corps and the rest has come to naught. But the president's unscripted determination to empower a civilian national security force is a different story. As far as you're concerned, though, it's also a nonstory.

    This complacency or complicity has to stop. During the last 10 months, the Department of Homeland Security has purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, including millions of hollow-point bullets. The department also has purchased 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, and it has overseen the retrofitting of more than 2,000 light tanks, which, of course, were originally designed to resist the mines and ambushes of the battlefield. Why does DHS need such offensive and defensive firepower?

    Remember, DHS stands for Department of Homeland Security, and "homeland," just to be extremely clear, means the USA. Obama must be asked against which domestic enemy he is arming nonmilitary forces. It sounds incredible, to be sure, but are we watching administration battle plans take shape against American citizens on the streets of Your Town, USA?

    That's where you in the mainstream media come in. This story has been burning up the "alternative press" of our Internet age -- Drudge Report, Infowars.com, WND.com -- for months, even years. As noted by Natural News, another "alternative" source, it's only this week that the story is finally showing up in the mainstream media. Leapfrogging off a very thin Associated Press story of Feb. 15, Forbes.com contributor Ralph Benko made quite a splash (664,581 views) this week with a more substantive piece acknowledging these same menacing stockpiles and calling for a "national conversation."

    We the People seem ready for such a conversation -- just think of all those story views. (By contrast, the next most popular Forbes.com story garnered 87,384 views.) You, the media, need to make sure the administration doesn't get away with stonewalling.

    That's what we get now, if we get anything. Government spokesmen, when they're not trying to make 1.6 billion bullets sound like a frugal, Costco-style bulk purchase, will tell you it's all about target practice. Really? I hear that U.S. Army newbies soon to deploy to Afghanistan are training with blank cartridges. Why the priority for arming domestic forces, not military ones?

    Even the liberal-minded "debunking" site Snopes.com confirms that the Social Security Administration has procured 174,000 hollow-point bullets for 300 special agents. Meanwhile, the National Marine Fisheries Service, which is tasked with "protecting fish stocks from depletion," has procured 46,000 hollow-point bullets. Spokesman Scott Smullen explained, straight-faced, I am guessing, that 63 fisheries service "enforcement agents" will be using the so-called cop-killer bullets for "target qualifications."

    And that's nothing. Last month, Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars.com reported that DHS purchased 21.6 million more rounds of ammunition, including 10 million hollow-point bullets. The latter, of course, are prohibited by the rules of war.

    Commentators who have done the math tell us the feds' ammo dump includes enough bullets to fight the war in Iraq for 27 years, or enough bullets to shoot every American citizen five times over.

    Ridiculous? Conspiracy theory? Sorry to pop that bubble of well-being, but we have only blind faith to convince us that any of this is ridiculous, even that any of this is a conspiracy. The evidence, so far, is in the ammo. The whoppers and the stonewalling come from the government. You, the mainstream media, can restore balance with attention and exposure.

    You might start with Watson's coverage last month for Infowars.com of Law Enforcement Targets Inc. (LET), a Minnesota-based manufacturer that has received $2 million in unspecified contracts from DHS in the last three years. Recently, Watson writes, the company began selling cardboard cutout targets designed to "desensitize police" to "nontraditional threat targets," as the online catalog called them. These targets included very pregnant women, children and other civilians in home, playground or other neighborhood settings. All hold guns. Public outrage over Watson's online reports was such that LET apologized on Facebook for the company's "No More Hesitation products" and removed them from its website.

    In its apology, LET insisted these heinous civilian targets weren't the company's idea. "This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community ..."

    I asked a friend with a long career in state and local law enforcement if he'd ever seen the like. He replied: "No. Hell, no. The targets I was trained to fire upon depicted people who really looked like armed criminals. No pregnant women. No kids. No old people. ... I could have shot three armed men during my career and been justified. Right or wrong, I didn't shoot them. These no-hesitation targets are disgusting."

    What branch of law enforcement requested and designed them? DHS? Fisheries? Social Security? Who exactly is planning for the kind of action that requires all those bullets? Is the government, as some suggest, depleting ammunition stocks as a means of gun control? Then why light tanks, too? We don't know the answers to any of these questions.

    That's where you come in. Start asking around. It's been awhile, I know, but you could actually do some good for a change. Maybe even boost your circulation.
     
  2. Mdl1261

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    Make NO mistake when thinking that "this A-Hole doesnt have a bigger plan"
     
  3. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Hitler revisited???? Bulge.
     
  4. scooterbum

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    The analogy to Hitler is very strong.

    The ducks do seem to be lining up.
     
  5. noknock1

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    Probably THEY will start rounding up the sheep very soon and execute those that resist. Well it has been a good run, us 80,000,000 plus gun owners don't really stand a chance against less than 75,000 DHS ARMY comprised of Coast Guard, Secret Service, Border Patrol, etc... So it has been nice knowing you, see you in the afterlife.
     
  6. Hank55

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    And, all his little "Left Wing" Democratic Congressman,Congresswomen and News Media follow him around like sheep thinking he's so very wise. Wow, what happened to the self thinking people who used to be able to see through such a smoke screen of Communist bull---t. People, he's a phoney, fake and eventual tyrannt, wake up!
     
  7. noknock1

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    Tigman46, check the bullets that your local sheriff's dept, city police, town marshal, state police, etc... are carrying. 99.9% chance they are carrying hollow points...

    The Geneva Convention has nothing to do with civilian law enforcement. It would make no sense what-so-ever that a civilian could buy hollow points and carry around in their 1911 or Glock whatever on a state carry license to shoot other people in a defensive situation and have law enforcement prohibited from carrying the same self defensive rounds!
     
  8. grntitan

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Geneva Convention never had anything to do with Hollow Point Bullets anyway it was the Hague Peace Conference and even it does not pertain to hollow point bullets but soft-nosed projectiles. And their deployment under the "Laws of War" is proscribed by a "Declaration on the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body" adopted at the First Hague Peace Conference of (29 July) 1899 which states:


    The Undersigned, Plenipotentiaries of the Powers represented at the International Peace Conference at The Hague, duly authorized to that effect by their Governments,

    Inspired by the sentiments which found expression in the Declaration of St. Petersburg of the 29th November (11th December), 1868,

    Declare as follows:

    "The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions."
    The present Declaration is only binding for the Contracting Powers in the case of a war between two or more of them.

    It shall cease to be binding from the time when, in a war between the Contracting Parties, one of the belligerents is joined by a non-Contracting Power.
     
  9. darr

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    A 75,000 man army that is well trained and has helicopters,planes,ships,communications,apparently light tanks,just about any light arm you could think of,and unlimited resources.Your right, we have them right where we want them.

    You're missing the point.If a few questions were asked and answered most of this paranoia could be put to rest.


    Darr
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    i dunno about the stupid conspiracy theory issue, as there is a lot of eyebrow raising with this administration. But, this guy certainly does not have some of his facts right.

    Quote: <i>"the National Marine Fisheries Service, which is tasked with "protecting fish stocks from depletion," has procured 46,000 hollow-point bullets. Spokesman Scott Smullen explained, straight-faced, I am guessing, that 63 fisheries service "enforcement agents" will be using the so-called cop-killer bullets for "target qualifications.""</i>

    The so-called "cop killer bullets" were specifically the KTW teflon coated bullets designed to penetrate a police vest.

    The hollowpoint that he is erroneously calling "cop killer bullets" will not penetrate a police vest rated for that caliber (vests are rated by different levels of ammunition). A .40 caliber hollowpoint is not going to penetrate a vest any more than a .40 caliber softpoint.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon-coated_bullet

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest#Performance_standards
     
  11. SeldomShoots

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    Where is Alex Jones when you need him?
     
  12. bigdogtx

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    @noknock,,,,,,then why are many departments having trouble getting ammo and are even bartering with other departments???? You would think they would be spreading the wealth.........
     
  13. wireguy

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    Local police departments can't get ammo but the feds have ammo running out of their ears, and will have for years? By the way, who pays for all that ammo? Why the same citizens who are being starved of it, that's who. But it's all just a big coincidence.
     
  14. timberfaller

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    Brian,

    Its funny you bring up the, "the National Marine Fisheries Service". I was on a irrigation ditch board when the "salmon" was listed on the ESA!!

    I have a copy of the letter THEY sent out to ALL law enforcement agency in our area. THEIR first response to the listing and the "agenda" on closing down the irrigation ditches was to call this meeting "of the minds" outside the area to be "effected".

    The last question on the notice to LEO was, "How are we(NMF and LEO) going to deal with the "egregious" people of the Methow Vally?"

    YOU nay sayers WAKE UP!! NEVER trust a government that DOESN'T trust its PEOPLE!! They can and they will ACT just like Hitler if need be!!
     
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