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Students punished for showing the flag

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by dhwbailey, May 6, 2010.

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  1. dhwbailey

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    Students punished for wearing American flags on Cinco de Mayo

    Five students at a California high school were forced to leave school and then face disciplinary action yesterday for the crime of wearing clothing printed with American flag designs.

    If you’re wondering how being patriotic could possibly merit punishment, it’s because the kids displayed the American flags on May 5. And as everyone knows, American flags are absolutely verboten on May 5.

    Right? Doesn’t anybody remember that rule? Anybody? Bueller?

    According to local TV stations KTVU and NBC Bay Area, this bewildering and deeply unsettling incident happened at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, a suburban town south of San Jose. As KTVU reported,

    Five students at a South Bay high school stirred up some controversy Wednesday for wearing t-shirts depicting red, white and blue American flags on Cinco de Mayo.

    School officials at Live Oak High in Morgan Hill told the students they had to go home if they wouldn’t turn the shirts inside out.

    One of the students said it appeared school administrators were worried the patriotic shirts could trigger fights.

    Some students at Live Oak High in Morgan Hill said others were planning to come to school Thursday wearing red, white and blue.

    Four of the five students who wore American flags or patriotic colors on campus walked into a meeting with the superintendent of the Morgan Hill unified school district Wednesday night.

    They were facing unexcused absences because they chose to go home early rather than take off what they were wearing.

    “We knew it was Cinco de Mayo. But we just came to show our flag,” said student Dominic Maciel. “We didn’t mean anything by it. We didn’t want to start anything. Nothing like that.”

    Student Anthony Caravalho was also sent home for not turning his shirt inside out.

    “They said we had to wear our t-shirts inside out and then we could go back to class and we said no,” said Caravalho. “It would be disrespectful to the flag by hiding it.”

    Daniel Galli, another student who was reprimanded for wearing a US flag, described what he was told by school administration.

    “He said ‘If you wear it on any other day, it’s fine; but just because it’s today you can’t wear it,’” Galli said.

    Photo courtesy of The Morgan Hill Times

    Make sure to watch the video at the KTVU link, because it shows clearly that the kids were not troublemakers, not “racists,” and not looking to start a fight. One of the five kids, Dominic Maciel, was himself of Hispanic heritage.

    And the punishment wasn’t an off-the-cuff blunder by some inexperienced teacher; according to NBC,

    Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the Vice Principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag t-shirts inside-out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal’s office.

    “They said we could wear it on any other day, but today is sensitive to Mexican Americans because it’s supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today,” Daniel Galli said.

    The boys said the administrators called their t-shirts “incendiary” that would lead to fights on campus.

    “They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended,” Dominic Maciel, Galli’s friend, said.

    So here we have the Principal and the Vice-Principal of an American high school treating the Stars and Stripes as if it was a gang bandanna; even worse, the school administrators took sides in this imaginary US-vs.-Mexico gang fight by allowing the widespread display of Mexican flags on campus but banning (under threat of punishment) any display of the American flag.

    NBC quotes a fellow student:

    “I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day,” Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. “We don’t deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn’t do that on Fourth of July.”

    Disrespected? I’m confused. Aren’t all the students Americans? Who is being disrespected by the display of our shared national flag?

    Let’s pause for a moment and peel back the layers. It seems that many of the Hispanic students at Live Oak High (and probably innumerable other high schools across the country) have been so inculcated with an “identity politics” curriculum that, under the rubric of instilling pride and self-esteem, they have been convinced that they are somehow distinct from and separate from the other American students; that “we” feel disrespected when forced to perceive an American flag.

    The school administration then stirs in their own toxic contribution: An assumption (typical of the “soft racism” of leftist ideology) that Hispanic students will respond with violence when they feel disrespected (“the patriotic shirts could trigger fights” is the euphemism they used). Even worse, fearing violence from Hispanic students, the adminstrators solve the crisis by banishing the “offensive” items, rather than warning students that any violence will be severely punished. In other words, the racist administrators insultingly assumed that their Hispanic students would erupt in violence at the sight of an American flag, and the only way to prevent this is to cower at the presumptive violence and preemptively cave in to the mob’s demands that American flags be banned from campus.

    Are the United States and Mexico at war? Is May 5 some kind of “Hate America Day”? What the hell is going on here? Aren’t the U.S. and Mexico allies? Aren’t we friendly neighbors? What is the source of the friction? Isn’t the United States a melting pot where people of every ethnic heritage all live together in harmony as Americans — rather than being a collection of self-segregated ethnic enclaves seething with mutual hostility?

    Furthermore, remember that Cinco de Mayo is actually a minor holiday in Mexico itself, commemorating a little-known military victory; Mexican Independence Day is on September 16, not May 5. In what way does the existence of a jolly holiday in one country necessitate self-flagellation in other countries? Do the people of Mongolia hang their heads in shame and hide their national flags on Thanksgiving — simply because some Americans in the vicinity might feel insulted that Mongolians still loved their country on an American holiday? The very idea is ridiculous. Yet that is exactly the attitude enforced by the administrators at Live Oak High in Morgan Hill.

    Luckily, the Live Oak Five are not about to back down. As NBC reported,

    “I’m not going to apologize. I did nothing wrong,” [Daniel] Galli said. “I went along with my normal day. I might have worn an American flag, but I’m an American and I’m proud to be an American.”

    Will somebody please award that boy an “A+” in Civics?
     
  2. highflyer

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    Get used to it. The border states are going to be Northern Mexico. The only thing American about them will be our tax dollars going to support them.
     
  3. School Teacher

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    Some schools have policies banning any logo and limiting color choices of shirts and hoodies.

    I like schools that require uniforms as the kids look better, generally do not feel inferior because someone has better clothes and IMO uniforms are less costly in the long run.

    Flag pins are common on backpacks and purses.

    Ed Ward
     
  4. b12

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    Just to let all of you know. Come Nov. 2012 all voting machines will be doctored and fradulant. Very easy thing to do. No matter what the vote is there will always have a larger percentage of votes for the regime.
     
  5. timb99

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    So were there kids at that school wearing the colors of Mexico, or clothing with Mexican flags on them?

    If so, were they also sent home?
     
  6. geneleroy

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    I flew my American flag on May 5th as I do every day. My flag standard is lighted and the Stars & Strips is up 24/7 and I defy anyone to try to remove it! I fought for that flag and by damn no one will tell me when I can or can't display it on my property! If you want it down you best come armed!
     
  7. shadow

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    I am in favor of uniforms for all school kids,----- RED, WHITE,and BLUE uniforms !
     
  8. RobertT

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    Seems all the teachings of diversity and equality don't apply, that is unless you are something other than a flag waving, freedom loving American. So much for people of various races and beliefs assimilating into our culture. Of course a uniform for all is in order, students or otherwise, individuality should be discouraged at all levels of society beginning at birth, perhaps a baby exchange? The Live Oak Five are my Heros of the Week.

    Robert
     
  9. highflyer

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    Does anyone doubt that America is a dying country. When you refuse to protect your borders from an alien invasion, when you refuse to protect your cities from terrorists who have sworn to destroy us, when you spend trillions more dollars than you have to buy votes from the stupid people, when you elect a president who openly hates America and the freedoms we once had, you are already dead.
     
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    My Eagle scout was sent to in school detention a few times for wearing his Class B uniform. Note: there were no dress codes at the middle school at this time and kids could wear whatever they wanted provided it was not offensive to others.

    The troop required Class Bs when cleaning up debris after a tornado and he was proud wearing it but the school "considered scouting a gang affiliation."

    I stepped in once and soon thereafter a policeman on duty at the school decided take an active role since he overheard my son being told by the principal that it was offensive to wear a shirt with the American Flag on it to school. He officer asked if he should leave too!

    TNCoach
     
  11. likes-to-shoot

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    As far as I'm concerned the teachers should be the ones to be sent home. They aren't teaching diversity, they are teaching AMERICANS to bow down and kiss ass. There is no reason they can't stand up for whats right other than being afraid of losing their gravy train.

    These people are in the UNITED STATES. If it offends them that an AMERICAN is wearing a tee shirt with the AMERICAN flag then go back to where they came from!!!!!!!

    Bill....Who like geneleroy, there is a flag flying 24/7 at my house also.
     
  12. GunDr

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    Funny, the real racist was the school adminisration. They were afraid the MEXICAMS would start the fight....(reading between the lines)
     
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    The School district did not approve of the schools decision and repremanded the school officials involved. A victory for common sense.


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    Our children should be taught proper respect for our Flag....Encouraging and condoning the disrespect of it to stir up trouble is rampant in the US today.

    Why should we support those that show our flag disrespect. What's the difference if you wear it as a t shirt or a diaper?

    OH....that's right.....It's OK if white kids do it.......Our military has chosen to wear "OUR FLAG" backwards.....that's bad enough, but where was the outcry over that.......none, because no one is taught respect for it anymore.

    The above link should bring y'all up to speed........wear it right or don't wear it at all.

    http://www.usflag.org/flag.etiquette.html

    http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
     
  15. oldgahchamp

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    Are you sure that Cinco deMayo is a Mexican holiday? If so, what does it commemorate? Larry
     
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    Don't be so sure this country is dying, Highflyer. America has always been very resilient and has survived many crises when the gloom-and-doomers prematurely pronounced her dead.

    Obama and this extreme leftist Congress might actually turn out to be a long-term blessing in disguise. By shoving this country so suddenly into European style semi-socialism, and recklessly spending us right to the brink of complete financial collapse, they may have unwittingly sowed the seeds of their own demise. Remember -- most of the young voters drank the liberal Kool-Aid, in part, because they were too young to remember how Jimmy Carter almost ruined America. Now they will have to learn what we already knew. Unfortunately, they've chosen to learn it the hard way.

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    When I have been in Mexico, in the Month of May I have asked the locals what they do/did for parties?

    The usual answer is, "Do you calibrate, Bunker hill day? Tea Party Day? Yorktown Day? It is a histroical day, BUT our Independence day is in September! that is the DAY!"

    SO is this not the U S of A?!

    All the toads involved should be fired as of the time they said anything to the students!

    And some people wonder why ARIZONA passed an immagration bill!

    Al Lingham

    Almost all of my legal spanish speaking friends have or will rally for OUR new immagration bill!

    "Those illegal BUMS make US look BAD!"
     
  18. Bushmaster1313

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    Are you surprised?

    The Second Amendment does not protect the right to bear arms, Jews are not allowed to live in parts of Jerusalem, terrorists are allowed to get on airliners; Gitmo should be closed; the 9/11 mastermind should be tried in a Manhattan court, the President was friends with William Ayers, its the fanatical Muslims who are out to kill us and the people checked at airports are the Finnish grandmothers!

    Damn those Finns scare me. Almost as bad as the Swedes.
     
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    A country cannot survive if it doesn't produce tangible products. A country cannot survive with hyphenated people having a part in running the country. If you are part of the country you don't need the hyphen. It is in my family history that my grandfather that came over in 1740 never spoke his native langauge again. He learned English. I am proud of that old man. HE WAS AN AMERICAN!!!! Larry
     
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    WOW your Grandfather came here 270 years ago..............LOL

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