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  1. perazzitms

    perazzitms TS Member

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    Every vote counts - unless it's not the vote we want.....


    Wis. Democrats oust delegate over McCain support

    By RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press Writer Fri Jul 25, 5:07 PM ET

    MADISON, Wis. - Wisconsin Democrats on Friday ousted a delegate to their national convention for saying she would vote for Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain in November.

    Embarrassed by a defection in their ranks, the Wisconsin Democratic Party's administrative committee voted 23-0 to strip Debra Bartoshevich of her status as a delegate to the Denver convention next month.

    Bartoshevich was elected by party activists as a pledged delegate for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton from the 1st Congressional District in southeastern Wisconsin. But after Clinton dropped out of the race, Bartoshevich told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel she would support McCain over Democratic Sen. Barack Obama.

    The June comments from Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old nurse and mother of two from Waterford, were seized on by the McCain campaign as evidence of his appeal to former Clinton backers. Within hours, the Wisconsin Democratic Party passed a resolution at its state convention supporting a challenge of her credentials with the national committee.

    The party's rules and bylaws committee said the state party could decide the matter, clearing the way for Friday's vote. Committee members agreed Bartoshevich had lost her privilege to be one of the state's 92 Democratic delegates because of her comments and affiliation with "Citizens for McCain," a branch of his campaign designed to recruit independents and Democrats.

    During a teleconference before the vote, Bartoshevich asked the committee to allow her to attend the convention as a delegate for Clinton. She noted that she donated her time and money to Clinton and still believes the former first lady is the best candidate.

    She said she made the comments backing McCain during an emotional time shortly after Clinton dropped out of the race and as a first-time delegate was unfamiliar with party rules. She said she had not decided who to ultimately support and was still open to backing Obama if he won her over. "I'd like to go to the convention and listen," she said.

    She said her sister was a McCain supporter who signed her up for "Citizens for McCain."

    "You reached right back and hugged them. I have a problem with that," committee member Dottie LeClaire responded.

    The committee accepted a challenge that stated Bartoshevich violated rules requiring delegates to support the party's nominee and be faithful to the party. Bartoshevich will be replaced by Marilyn Nemeth of Racine, who finished second to Bartoshevich in the delegate election earlier this year.
     
  2. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    The idea of a 3rd party is continually scoffed at by unknowing sheep.

    If there ever was a time it's now.

    HM
     
  3. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    "Hi, I'm Joe Lieberman, and I approved this message"
     
  4. GunDr

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    I feel just like Deb. I'm also (was) a delegate for my district for the Republican party. While discussing our party platform, I denounce Juan McCain for his amnasty propsals and I urged the others there it was high time we joined together and not support Juan.

    Well, that didn't sit too well with those, who's only purpose in life, is to look at these "get-togethers" as a neighborhood coffee clutch. Most seem to be bandwagon jumpers, to be part of the "in" group.

    While there were many, many new faces at every meeting, when we asked questions with regards to responsibilities of those "elected", a straight answer was never given.

    I use the term elected with some trepidation. Only those who were allowed to vote were the delegates, and/or the alternates. So it seems kind of funny that with only about 50 delegates and alternates present, the vote always totaled more. No one questioned it. I didn't become aware until I got home. Now I realize that those looking for a position in this process, always had a group along with them....their wife, family friends. The little pcs of paper that were used for the ballot was passed to everyone present.

    So I quit being a delegate. If there was any hint that you/I may get a majority of the vote, a quick call was made and many more people(voters?) showed up. The whole process, at least up here just STUNK.

    I've now declared myself a Conservative Independent.
     
  5. bgf

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    Bravo!!!

    It astounds me that most people think that a single man/woman [the President] can accomplish anything without the Senate and House.

    Yes...indeed...inquiring minds what to know how this can happen.

    Bernie
     
  6. crusha

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    The idea that a 3rd party solves anything is a delusion of the intellectually lazy.


    If you think a 3rd party is somehow magically immune to the same pressures that corrupt the first two, then you have no eye for history, or simply aren't paying attention, or both.


    For example, European countries have a zillion different parties, and look what they've got. It's just more lines along which the political ruling class can divide people against each other, while they continue to do what they want. And those who would attempt to cover their exposed intellectual tails by claiming "It's not the same, Europe is different," show their ignorance even more, because even with the disorganized confusion of a parliamentary system and all its "changes in ball possession" to hold back the wheels of liberal "progress," they still wound up being socialist hellholes. In a system like America, we would probably fare even worse, because once a party gets in power of a branch of Government, they are guaranteed to hold it for a set number of years, unlike Europe.



    All multiple parties did in Europe was lower the percentage of the vote the governing class must corral, in order to maintain their control.


    Claiming that a 3rd party will solve our problems makes about as much sense as saying that the two whores in the whorehouse have no morals, so therefore the solution is to add more whores.


    "The first 2 parties are corrupt...but the 3rd one will be pure as the driven snow, and represent the people!"


    Keep smokin' that goooood stuff...
     
  7. perazzitms

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    For all the bashing the 'old' two party system gets, look at the alternatives. Better yet, look at the countries where there are 3 or 4 parties in government.

    Say you waved your majic wand and got Bob Barr in the white house and say 20 more of his Libertarian buddies in the senate. Tell me exactly WHAT on God's green earth 20 + 1 of your peeps are going to change in the Federal government. Say they ran on a promise to......end wasteful government spending. Fat chance. The other 80 'legacy' tow party Senators are the ones spending the money. 80 beats 20 any day of the week. So Pres. Barr vetoes the spending bill. 80 beats the veto.

    Lessons learned from Perot: Fracture your party and you might as well gift wrap the election for the other party. Remember - Clinton WON his first term with LESS than 50% of the vote.
     
  8. perga1

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    To the anti McCain folks, have you given any thought what it is going to be like when we have an ultra liberal Congress coupled with an ultra liberal President? Hold onto your wallets and your rights. Pelosi, Reed and Obama unchallenged will ruin this country in short order. JRM
     
  9. GunDr

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    I will agree, adding another party to the process will just make more divisions of dissatisfied people. How can a party govern with a 34% majority.

    Here was my thinking when Juan got the nomination (thanks to the dems crossing over the line during the primaries), and that was to have the Hildebeast as the prez. First off, every Republican would be against her(except maybe Juan). Second, those Hussein lovers would be so PO'd, that they would just as soon sit out any decision making than stand behind her signing some bogus bill into law.

    As PerazziTMS noted above, more than 50% of the voters were against Clinton from the start. He did have help the first two years, but after that his hands were tied. Didn't we all enjoy a wonderful next 6 years?

    As for McCain's stance on the war on terror, I'm behind him 100% on half of his plan. The other half leaves our borders open, and welcoming all...no questions asked....into our country, to begin the process of tearing her apart.

    As many or more citizens of this country are dieing needlessly, as our heros in the mideast, by terrorist within our borders, most of them entering the US illegally. McCain calls us racists when we protest. He just doesn't sound like he wants to be on our "side".

    My top priorities are...

    Protection of my family

    Self preservation

    Protection of our Bill of Rghts.

    Correct the illegal problem (SEND THEM ALL TO THEIR HOME)

    Bob Barr??Who's he(haha) My candidate was Duncan Hunter.

    I probably will vote for Juan, but a bottle of Vodka will help me do it(I don't drink). The hang-over will be more from checking the little box than from the booze. But everyday, he opens his mouth and spews out more pablum, it maks it harder to want to vote for him.
     
  10. perga1

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    GunDr, I feel pretty much the same as you and Duncan Hunter would be a great choice for Veep, although a better choice for POTUS than either of the choices we have. I just have to hold my nose and vote for Mc because the thought of a lib congress and a lib POTUS just scares the h__l out of me. JRM
     
  11. GunDr

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    Here is another glaring example of what to expect from McCain...thank you George Bush!!

    U.S. District Judge William Wayne Justice said the Texas Education Agency is violating the civil rights of Spanish-speaking students....


    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5909036.html
     
  12. JBrooks

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    2004 Election

    Bush (Incumbent)

    62,040,606 51% 286

    Kerry
    59,028,109 48% 252

    Nader
    411,304 1% 0

    2000
    Bush
    50,456,002 47.87%

    Gore
    50,999,897 48.38%

    Nader
    2,882,955 2.74%
     
  13. GunDr

    GunDr Well-Known Member

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    To Mr. Jason Chaffetz,

    <a href="http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q20/GunDr_Photo/?action=view┬Ąt=Clapping.gif" target="_blank">[​IMG]</a>


    Let this be a lesson to those that like to blow smoke up our ass.
     
  14. slide action

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    I do wish there was a more conservative candidate running for trhe GOP., but that is NOT the case. For those who want to stage a protest vote and count on a Republican LAND SLIDE later, I'm afraid you don't know the result of such action! By the TIME that would happen the damage to the freedoms we hold dear WILL BE WELL BEYOND REPAIR! THe 2nd ammendment will be gone, taxes will have destroyed this nations economy, and there will be several APPOINTED FOR LIFE Federal Judges(including those on the Supreme Court). The so called "fairness Doctrine" will have been reinstated and air time will be mandated to liberal fools and forced down the throats of Communication Industry stations forcing them to air liberal brainwashing garbage even though no one wants to hear the garbage. The Military will be destroyed and the radical fringe Muslims will have taken over much of this country. Restrictive Tolerance laws will have all but destroyed free speech and religious freedom. The coutry will be flooded by illegals who will be given "FREE" citizenship. Also the corruption that will have become engrained into the system may very well insure that there will not be another truly FREE election in this country again. I am no big fan of John McCain on some issues, but GOD HELP us if this commie socialist gets elected!!!!! Be very careful if that is what you hope for. My guess is you will be VERY sorry if you get it!!!!
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

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    Let the Stalinist, er, Democrat purges begin!
     
  16. bigdogtx

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    re: The Supreme Court appointees. The senate does have to ratify, BUT McCain will nominate them. If you think the senate would pass over 2 or 3 nominees and allow the shutdown of a branch of our government, I think you are mistaken. There would be such an outcry from the people and house of reps, that they will have NO CHOICE to finally accept a nomination. If for this, than no other reason, America needs to have McCain.

    A couple of other points.....the congress has even a LOWER approval rating, the lowest in the history of this country. If it continues then a change in 2010 may be coming like in 1994. obama has alrfeady said he will get rid of OUR nuclear warheads BEFORE other countries as a "symbol", so the other countries will follow suit. There are many more. This guy is on drugs. There is no other way that someone running for this great office, would be so detrimental to our future.
     
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