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State Police take over ALL Oregon gun clubs

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  1. alec

    alec TS Member

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    Senate Bill 1012.....

    Please read this new bill...Also check out thread Oregon Senate Bill 1012

    Sponsored by Committee on Judiciary, Ginny Burdick, Chair....

    I have been advised by a Lobbyist that this bill will not go away without help. If you want the State Police to know every time you go to a gun club and how many guns and which guns you take, then this bill is right up your alley.

    This is the worst bill I've seen in 40 years

    Mag
     
  2. drunk_again

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    well maybe you oregonites do need watching over. brainless in oregon is a perfect example of a nut case that needs to be watched.
     
  3. Augie Daddi

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    Here it is. Click on the URL above.

    Augie
     
  4. Augie Daddi

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    Just read it. WOW!!!

    Augie
     
  5. drunk_again

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    well devil, doesnt brainless in oregon scare you a lil bit by the way he thinks?
     
  6. Jerbear

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    Here in Michigan they are laying off some of the state police. Was told by swingin Jenny that if your in a car accident and phone for help don't count on it. Budget cutbacks and everyone leaving the state = NO MONEY. She has purposed a 2% service tax ( hair cuts,auto repairs,appliance repair, Hookers?) Who knows?,to pay for free 2 year community college degree. That means we here in MI may be paying an extra 2% to shoot, since it's a service and not a product purchase. Go figure... lay off police and give free college tuitions.

    Basicly we would be paying for any labor now, not just the product.

    What a screwed up state. Wish I could move but there are over 750 homes in my area alone for sale or foreclosure. Couldn't sell if I wanted too.


    Jerbear
     
  7. alfermann66

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    I remember a slogan from some years ago I'll paraphrase. Last one to leave Michigan, turn out the lights.

    Buz
     
  8. grnberetcj

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    As much as Brian hates the Police, this'll send him over the edge (if he's not gone already).

    I would've figured Oregon as a conservative western state....guess the putrified air from Kalifornia has made them part of the "Left Coast" also.

    My brother (FBI retired) was assigned to Michigan for 15+ yrs. and was so happy to see it in his rearview mirror.

    Curt
     
  9. superxjeff

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    OrgeGUN is a liberal state that was founded by hard working loggers, fisherman, ranchers. This group now comprises about 2% of the population. Oregon will be as liberal as California before long and without the funding to pay for it. The funny thing is that the State Police are about to have another round of cut backs. As it is you can drive however you want anymore. I don't want to see any more laws but in order to have an effective law you need to be able to enforce them and Oregon is in no position to enforce any but the harshest laws. The city I live in has no money or man power to prosecute petty theft. So.... Steal up to 99 dollars I think it is and all that happens is a ticket for misdeamner if they catch you. So smart scum bags have kids going around stealing stuff and they buy it for pennies and sell it on E-Bay. Pretty easy to make a few grand a day and the penality( If you get caught) is a small ticket. Jeff
     
  10. Jerbear

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    In the Detroit News tonight that the republicans voted down the service tax.

    The police is still on the chopping block though.


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  11. Brian in Oregon

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    74th OREGON LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY--2007 Regular Session<br>
    Senate Bill 1012<br>
    Sponsored by COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY<br>
    SUMMARY<br>
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    The following summary is not prepared by the sponsors of the measure and is not a part of the body thereof subject to consideration by the Legislative Assembly. It is an editor¢s brief statement of the essential features of the
    measure as introduced.<br>
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    Directs Department of State Police to establish safety procedures for shooting ranges and policies
    and procedures for certifying rangemasters. Allows counties and cities to regulate, restrict or
    prohibit discharge of firearms on shooting ranges. Removes certain exemptions from liability for
    alleged noise control violations by shooting ranges.<br>
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    Creates crime of negligently damaging property with firearm or bow. Punishes by maximum of
    six months¢ imprisonment, $500 fine, or both.<br>
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    A BILL FOR AN ACT<br>
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    Relating to shooting ranges; creating new provisions; and amending ORS 166.171, 166.172, 166.180 and 467.131.<br>
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    Be It Enacted by the People of the State of Oregon:<br>
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    SECTION 1. (1) As used in this section, “shooting range” means a public or private shooting range, shooting gallery or other area designed, built or used for the purpose of target shooting.<br>
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    (2) The Department of State Police shall establish by rule safety procedures for shooting ranges. The rules shall include policies and procedures for the certification of rangemasters.<br>
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    (3) Shooting ranges shall:<br>
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    (a) Control gunfire so that bullets or other projectiles do not cross the plane of the shooting range boundary and do not enter property adjacent to the shooting range, absent consent by the owner or occupant of the adjacent property;<br>
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    (b) Ensure that gates and doors are secured sufficiently to prevent unauthorized entry onto the premises; and<br>
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    (c) Ensure that local noise control ordinances are observed.<br>
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    (4) All shooting ranges shall employ a rangemaster, who shall be certified by the department and shall be physically present at the shooting range at any time that firearms or other weapons are being discharged. The rangemaster shall ensure that:<br>
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    (a) Weapon safety rules are prominently posted and are followed by all members and visitors while on the premises of the shooting range;<br>
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    (b) All visitors to the shooting range provide identification and that their names are recorded in a log;<br>
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    (c) Alcoholic beverages are not consumed or possessed by anyone on the premises; and <br>
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    (d) All firearms or other weapons that are brought onto the premises of the shooting range are recorded in a log book. The rangemaster shall cause to be recorded at least the following information:<br>
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    (A) The make and model of the weapon;<br>
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    (B) The caliber of the weapon;<br>
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    NOTE: Matter in boldfaced type in an amended section is new; matter [italic and bracketed] is existing law to be omitted.<br>
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    New sections are in boldfaced type.<br>
    LC 142<br>
    SB 1012<br>
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    (C) The name and address of the person bringing the weapon onto the premises; and<br>
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    (D) The date and time that the weapon is brought onto the premises.
    SECTION 2. ORS 166.171 is amended to read:<br>
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    166.171. (1) A county may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the discharge of firearms within their boundaries.<br>
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    (2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section may not apply to or affect:<br>
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    (a) A person discharging a firearm in the lawful defense of person or property.<br>
    (b) A person discharging a firearm in the course of lawful hunting.<br>
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    (c) A landowner and guests of the landowner discharging a firearm, when the discharge will not endanger adjacent persons or property.<br>
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    [(d) A person discharging a firearm on a public or private shooting range, shooting gallery or other area designed and built for the purpose of target shooting.]<br>
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    [(e)] (d) A person discharging a firearm in the course of target shooting on public land that is not inside an urban growth boundary or the boundary of a city, if the discharge will not endanger persons or property.<br>
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    SECTION 3. ORS 166.172 is amended to read:<br>
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    166.172. (1) A city may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the discharge of firearms within the city¢s boundaries.<br>
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    (2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section may not apply to or affect[:]<br>
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    [(a)] a person discharging a firearm in the lawful defense of person or property.<br>
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    [(b) A person discharging a firearm on a public or private shooting range, shooting gallery or other area designed and built for the purpose of target shooting.]<br>
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    SECTION 4. ORS 166.180 is amended to read:<br>
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    166.180. Any person who, as a result of failure to use ordinary care under the circumstances, wounds any other person or damages another¢s property with a bullet or shot from any firearm, or with an arrow from any bow, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed six months, or by a fine not to exceed $500, or both. In addition, any person so convicted shall forfeit any license to hunt, obtained under the laws of this state, and shall be ineligible to obtain a license to hunt for a period of 10 years following the date of conviction.<br>
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    SECTION 5. ORS 467.131 is amended to read:<br>
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    467.131. Any owner, operator or lessee of a rifle, pistol, silhouette, skeet, trap, blackpowder or other shooting range in this state shall be immune from civil or criminal liability based upon an allegation of noise or noise pollution so long as:<br>
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    (1) The allegation results from the normal and accepted activity on the shooting range;<br>
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    (2) The owner, operator or lessee [complied] is in compliance with any applicable noise control law or ordinance [existing at the time construction of the shooting range began or no noise control law or ordinance was then existing]; [and]<br>
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    (3) The allegation results from activity on the shooting range occurring between 7 a.m. and<br>
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    [10] 7 p.m. or conducted for law enforcement training purposes[.]; and<br>
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    (4) The allegation does not result from activity on the shooting range on Christmas or Thanksgiving.
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    I posted here a few years back that we ALL needed to be on the same page because today it's the guns you don't care about, but tomorrow it will be your guns and your gun ranges.<br>
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    Gun ranges have been under increasing attack and several have been forced to close. Others have been rendered all but useless (steel shot, etc.).<br>
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    Only the most dim-witted could not agree that it is ALL guns and ALL shooting sports that the anti's want to prohibit.<br>
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    As for the a-hole who says I hate the police, you are full of crap. FOAD.
     
  13. Brian in Oregon

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    BTW, anyone here astute enough to see what's coming down the pike next?<br>
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    We have defacto gun registration in Oregon for all firearms being transferred via a 4473. This was being done unlawfully by the Oregon state Police, who just thought it up and did it. John McCain came here and helped push through a "gunshow loophole closure" bill that had language in it to make the ad hoc registry legal. And it passed.<br>
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    But, there are many firearms out there which are not in the State Police registry. <br>
    Logging the name, address, make, model and caliber of all firearms going to a range makes a handy list to be seized and used to round up firearms.<br>
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    Which is the logical next step, because Ginny Burdick is keen on cloning the 1994 AWB here.<br>
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  14. ivanhoe

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    To Drunk_Again,Devil's Advocate and anyone else that thinks that the gentleman from Oregon is brainless. When you people are sitting at home playing with the only thing you have left that you can shoot you may wake up to the fact that if every gun owner were as brainless in the same way you would still have guns to shoot. Go get them Brian.

    Bob Lawless
     
  15. grnberetcj

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    Brian...

    thanks for the name calling.....again you have shown your true colors! The pending legislation that you have presented is directed toward you and your ilk. I was under the assumption that mentally disturbed persons were prohibited anyway.

    Curt
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    You brought it on, Curt. "As much as Brian hates the Police, this'll send him over the edge (if he's not gone already). "Classic name calling. If you fling poo, don't whine when you spatter some on yourself.<br>
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    And you must really have your head in the sand - or elsewhere - if you think this bill is only directed toward me and "my ilk". It is directed towards ALL gun clubs, INCLUDING trap clubs.<br>
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    Unless, of course, you think trapshooters are "ilk".<br>
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    Your Zumboesque Fudd tendancies are coming out.
     
  17. slide action

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    Brian, Keep on posting when stupid liberal anti gun laws are trying to be pushed. Although they are a minority, there are getting to be more and more liberals on this sight and they don't like the truth to come out. Don't sweat the few that are clueless to their own demise. You and I may not agree on everything, but we both know the liberals are the enemy and will never stop trying to strip us of our constitutional right to firearm ownership.
     
  18. omahasportingsupply

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    Things that ought to be banned first since they kill more people than guns: <br>
    cars trucks<br>
    politcians - you know who they are <br>
    smoking off the gun range <br>
    DUIs <br>
    bad TV shows <br>
    and the list goes on and on and on.........
    Oregon people ... join Washington DC and KICK THEM OUT!
     
  19. BDodd

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    To expand some on Jeff's point of view, there are TWO Oregons. One of them is comprised of at least 75% of the territory and they are still hunters, farmers, ranchers, people of the land, and clearly as conservative as you can get. Unfortunately, the other Oregon, 25% of the territory, makes up the Willamette Valley (big cities (no different than any big city) and the ancient hippies still trying to control the majority. It's an unbelievable horror what 3 large cities can do to an otherwise perfectly wonderful state.

    My take on this proposal is it's unlikely coming to fruition since the State Police don't have the manpower to even adequately patrol the highways let alone perform their criminal investigations and then take on overseeing gun clubs as well. The last I heard there were fewer State Troopers in Oregon than the Calif. Hwy. Patrol officers in any three offices of which there's at least one each in 52 counties. And, they can't get the OK to hire more troopers in Oregon who are paid out of the well drained general fund. I'm sure the financing of homeless, "undocumented visitors," and welfare recipients will keep Trooper numbers at bay....breakemall....Bob Dodd
     
  20. Brian in Oregon

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    I'll tell you one thing - if the State Police have the manpower and resources to waste on policing gun clubs, then it's way past time to make sure there is minimal funding going their way. They already are keeping a registry of all firearms being transferred via a 4473, yet are whining they don't have the funds or manpower to patrol the highways. If they can't keep focused on their primary mission, then they don't need the money.<br.
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    As for what BDodd says, basically it's 33 pro-gun rural counties vs 3 anti-gun urban counties.<br>
     
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