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Spring Grand -- PreSquad vs 2 yd Reduction

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by DJSims, Feb 7, 2012.

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  1. DJSims

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    Mike Winigrad of PreSquad.com composed a special report for our upcoming Spring Grand shoot. The presquad had opened before the 2 yard reduction had been offered, and many squads now are out of range.

    Anyone that presquads at a yardage different than what they classify at the shoot must accept a different squad assignment that is within ATA rules. The scope of the problem is staggering!

    I can forsee many partial squads, and terrible cashiering lines from this recent move by ATA.

    One thing every shooter can do is either accept or deny the reduction before arriving at the Spring Grand in Tucson. This could help with squadding/cashiering.

    Doug Sims
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

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    Decline, or, end of de line....
     
  3. DJSims

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    what BigM said!

    Doug Sims
     
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    98 % of the shooters accepted the 2 yd reduction at the DIXIE GRAND, why should anybody decline it?

    Ron Burdick
     
  5. BigM-Perazzi

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    To not wait in line......obviously
     
  6. Brad Dysinger

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    Wasn't this all covered in that in depth study the EC did before implamenting the two yard reductions? I thought no one was to be classified without a paper card. How could anything go wrong? Brad
     
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    Let me check my notes......

    Your right, this can't be happening ....
     
  8. DJSims

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    Dysinger - This has nothing to do with cards -- Pre-squadding was done before the reduction offer - and paid for by the shooters. All who accept the reduction now may not fit on their original squad.

    Those that accept the reduction -- Will now have to find a proper spot!

    If a shooter chooses to refuse the reduction, it can help if the ATA office knows about it sooner rather than later

    Doug Sims
     
  9. Brad Dysinger

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    Doug, I hope you don't think I was picking on you. I've stood in squading lines at Phoenix for the Spring Grand for hours in the 70's and 80's and I know how pre squading works.

    The point I was making is that your situation is one of those unintended consequences that happen when someone(the EC) makes a decision about something like the 2 yd reduction without researching it number one, and doing it in the middle of the season number two. It is going to create problems all summer and maybe for years, you just happened to be at the front of the line.

    Hope your weather is nice for you all out their for the shoot, Tuscon is a nice place to shoot, I haven't been there for a few years now. My hunting preserve keeps me home in the winter.

    I miss quail hunting around the club and out on some Indian reservation west of the club, I used to do that every winter. The locals that would take me used to shoot them on the ground while they were running. Brad
     
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    Lines, most havn't seen lines like there used to be a Vandalia in the olden days. Every morning the line formed at the door and meandered down the street. The one good thing was with the food venders there you could have coffee and breakfast if you wanted while you waited. Plus the BS was in very plentiful.

    Unfortunately when something like the reduction occurs there are always casualties and the problems that have to be worked out.

    Don
     
  11. DJSims

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    Brad - You are spot on as far as "unintended consequences".

    The presquad entry has been so successful the last few years that this upset will jam the cashier windows and may delay shooting. The short squads may outnumber the full squads.

    You would not recognize the Tucson club, with the lease of 320 acres west of our original 80 acres, 50 total traps, 5 international bunkers, 14 combo skeet overlays, two walk thru clays courses, fresh parking lot gravel, 210+ motor home parking spots with 50 amps and sewer ---

    We would welcome all shooters that choose to attend, and may exceed Phoenix in attendance in the future!

    Doug Sims
     
  12. Brad Dysinger

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    Good luck Doug with the shoot, I'd think shooters will know it's not you guys fault. Hope it's not the nightmare you fear. Brad
     
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