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Split from lead mining

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 320090T, Nov 26, 2009.

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  1. 320090T

    320090T Well-Known Member

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    Question for gun club that have been mined. What is the common split between miner and owner? I have heard a high of 40%, and a low of 10%
     
  2. Hap MecTweaks

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    Mike McNeeley, of Double Adobe,AZ fame, designed and built his own lead reclaiming system. He reclaimed the lead from Tucson Trap&Skeet club last year with his new system and harvested several hundred thousand pounds more lead than ever gotten prior! Mike also sells these systems to others wanting to start their own business too! Very slick operation!

    As Terry says, choose carefully who harvests your lead, not just the top cream!!

    Gene Hapney Vail,AZ
     
  3. wopahoe

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    After all expenses the club at Peoria,Ill. got 1/3. Mostly sandy soil.
     
  4. zzt

    zzt Well-Known Member

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    We have mostly clay at our range and got 30%.
     
  5. DJSims

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    When scrap lead is selling for 7-10 cents per pound, you may have compensate the mining firm with higher percentage of the mining effort. If lead scrap is at 68-70 cents per pound, there should be a shift in the percentage favoring the club.

    The miner still should receive compensation for his effort, but the club is a business, and the business is not making lead miners a windfall profit.

    Run the numbers.

    Doug Sims
     
  6. 320090T

    320090T Well-Known Member

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    So 10% would be out of line?
     
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    Some local clubs received 40% last year. A few years ago, clubs were getting 50%.

    Unless there are unusual circumstances, or the field is difficult to reclaim, 10% seems almost dishonest.
     
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    Be sure you get the split on actual tonnage, not estamited tonnage,the last time we had our club mined, they estamited 80 tons and we would get 40%,they got over 120 tons,we only got 40% of the 80 tons.
     
  9. Paladin

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    Now that is what I call dishonesty by a reclaimer.


    320090T,

    Contact more than one reclaimer. Get proposals from all of them. Get input from their recent jobs.
     
  10. zzt

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    Look. Just because the spot price of lead is high does not mean the miner can sell it for that much. Our miner was up front with us. He has mined the club 6 times in the past, and the percentage the club got varied. It varies by what scrap lead is actually worth, as opposed to the spot price. It varies by conditions, what type of soil, how much vegetation, how much root mass, weather, etc.

    This time the weather was wet and we agreed on 30%. Our miner figured on being done in a month and a half. It took him 4 because of so much rain. He had a contract with Mayco (Lawrence brand shot) to buy the recovered shot at $.45/lb delivered. After the second trailer load, Mayco put everyone on a quota, because they had enough lead. The best the miner could do was get $.36/lb delivered for the other two loads.

    10% is not unreasonable if you have a small area, not much shot, or the terrain is difficult to work. Remember, the miner has to make a living. He is the one taking all the risks. The only thing you and I have to do is sit back and ask when we'll get the check.
     
  11. Paladin

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    zzt,

    I don't know how often most clubs reclaim, but out of curiosity, over how many years did your club mine 7 times total, if I'm reading your post correctly? Are they heavily used trap fields, or any other particulars you want to mention?
     
  12. 333t

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    As Pat says, the value of reclaimed shot can't be compared to the spot market price for pure lead. Lead scrap of all kinds has far less value than pure lead because its content is unknown unless properly analyzed. Industrial lead users alloy their own metals according to their intended usage.

    Phil
     
  13. zzt

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    Paladin, the general consensus among the three miners I spoke to is it becomes economically profitable for both miner and club after 1,000,000 shot have been fired.

    For our club, that occurs every 4 to 7 years, depending. For example, our fiscal year runs from 1 Apr to 31 Mar. We have had horrible weather this year, and about 1/3 of our big shoots were rained out. As a result, we've only thrown 135,000 targets this year, so far. At this rate, we'll only reach 175,000 by the end of March. I expect shooting to improve next year. If so, we are on track for a 5 year cycle.

    BTW, shot "oxidizes" when it sits on the ground in acid soils. That degrades its value. Most miners use a dry sifting process. You get pretty clean shot when the soil is dry sand. Anything other than that and it isn't very clean. Our soil has a lot of clay in it, and it retains moisture. It came out of the machine visibly brown and damp. The only way to be sure you get 99% clean shot is to use a wet process like Al Holegaard uses.
     
  14. Paladin

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    Interesting. Thanks.
     
  15. mcneeley5

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    Why split?? Own your equipment, then market your lead when and how YOU want! The downrange lead is the greatest bonus a club has - Don't waste it. Mike
     
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