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¿ Sparta: Buying a Gun from a Dealer

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by goatskin, Jul 11, 2010.

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  1. goatskin

    goatskin TS Member

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    It has been a while since I have (physically) purchased a (long) gun in another state ... rules change and some states (Illinois) are a little spooky abt gun sales, etc.

    Say I was at Sparta and wanted to buy my first dedicated trap gun: H&R Trap, maybe, or a Mossberg 500 Trap with Simmons rib, perhaps at ... Guns Unlimited(?).

    Can I plunk down my $228.32, fill out a 4473, throw the gun in my truck and turn back toward Dallas?

    Or does it have to be shipped back to my FFL?

    Bob
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    What does' your state of residence require for out of state purchases?
     
  3. Bob Schultz

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    You can purchase a long gun in Illinois from a licensed dealer, fill out the 4473 and pick it up in 24 hours providing you are cleared through the IL State Police background check. Similar to the NICS check used by many other states. Just don't wait until Saturday to choose a gun .... the 24 hour wait will preclude any sales on the last day unless you want to ship to your dealer at home. Illinois sales tax is collected on the sales there.

    Bob Schultz
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  4. goatskin

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    AFAIK, Texas is mute on the subject of long-guns purchased elsewhere.
     
  5. goatskin

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    Bob, thanks. That's what I thought/hoped, but I didn't know abt the 24hr wait.

    Bob
     
  6. jbmi

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    I'm from Mich. and purchased a Browning XT from Guns Unlimited out of Nebraska at the Grand, because Mich. is a bordering state to IL. I walked out with the gun after the NIC'S check cleared. Don't know about states not bordering IL.
     
  7. Matt Colman

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    Two years ago i bought a gun from Guns Unlimited at the Grand in Sparta and could not take possession of the shotgun. I am a Nevada resident and Nevada is on a short list of states that Illonios will not allow immediate possession of a fire arm. So a phone call to a Illonios dealer may be in order.

    Matt Colman
     
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    I'm curious because I never remember crossing the Michigan State Line and enterring straight into Illinois. That section of Indiana always got in the way. Either that or it was a long swim across Lake Michigan. Marc
     
  9. slotracer577

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    Around colorado it has to be a bordering state in order for them to sell a long gun. If it is not a bordering state, then you have to ship to a FFL.
     
  10. BIGDON

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    Why don't you experts listen to Bob?? He is selling guns there as are others. I bought a gun there 2 years ago and took possesion after the 24 hrs and shot the rest of the Grand with it.

    Don
     
  11. oleolliedawg

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    Dealers must have a license or maintain a business presence in the state where the transaction takes place. Has something changed that I'm not aware of!!
     
  12. jimrich60

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    Apparently it depends on state laws, as well as federal requirements. Two years ago as a Wisconsin resident, I purchased a shotgun from Joel Etchen Guns (home based in PA, but also licensed in Illinois) and left it with same day, after a NICs check. Other state residents may find different rules apply, such as waiting periods, etc as Wisconsin and Illinois have reciprocal agreements that applied (on long guns only, of course). Best bet is to call one of dealers that will be at the Grand and check what rules apply to your state if you are not an Illinois resident (or even if you are)
     
  13. oleolliedawg

    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    Direct from the ATF!

    A dealer can sell firearms at two types of locations

    1. His business premises

    2. A gun show or event in his home state

    A dealer at an out of State gun show may only:

    1. Display firearms

    2. Take orders for firearms

    a.These orders would have to be filled from the licensee's premises by

    b. shipping the firearms to a dealer in the purchaser's home state.

    That is the Federal law boys!!
     
  14. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    oleolliedawg:

    True perhaps but for purposes of this discussion, irrelevant. Firearms vendors at the Grand from states other than Illinois aren't, "dealer(s) at an out of State gun show".

    sissy

    PS to all... I'm with BIGDON. Why would anyone argue with a licenced dealer that actually knows whereof he speaks?
     
  15. jbmi

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    luvtrapgun, look at any map and you'll see MI & IL meet in the middle of Lake Mich. Lake Mich is not international waters, half goes to IL the other to MI.
    Try fishing in the western half of Lake Mich with a Mich license and you'll see what I mean. Do you think just because IL and Iowa are divided by the Mississippi that they aren't bordering states ???
     
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    I purchased a K-80 from Dawson Enterprises last year at the grand, paid for it, took possession and shot it that day. I pretty sure that Dawson's, Jaquas, Guns Unlimited, Hal Dupont, Silver Seitz, etc. have taken the proper steps to sell guns in Illinois. Since they make there living selling guns I'm sure they wouldn't risk loosing there FFL. I do remeber something about being a bordering state, I think you don't have to wait if you live in a bordering state.
     
  17. oleolliedawg

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    Well sissy, I am a licensed dealer and those are the Fed regs copied directly from the ATF regulations booklet. Now you must understand that you can violate the law any way you prefer but if you get caught it's your a--. Hopefully, the Feds don't desire to crack down on these type of sales but if they do I don't wanna be their first casualty!!
     
  18. oleolliedawg

    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    Try this one sissy.

    What is a gun show?

    an event sponsored by any national, State or local organization, devoted to the collection or sporting use of firearms or by an organization that sponsors functions devoted to the collection or sporting use of firearms in the community.

    How does the Grand differ from this ATF interpretation!!
     
  19. jbmi

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    I'm from Mich. and purchased a Browning XT from Guns Unlimited out of Nebraska at the Grand, because Mich. is a bordering state to IL. I walked out with the gun after the NIC'S check cleared. Don't know about states not bordering IL.
     
  20. Matt Colman

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    Two years ago i bought a gun from Guns Unlimited at the Grand in Sparta and could not take possession of the shotgun. I am a Nevada resident and Nevada is on a short list of states that Illonios will not allow immediate possession of a fire arm. So a phone call to a Illonios dealer may be in order.

    Matt Colman
     
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