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Some reasons for Detroit's downfall

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by bigdogtx, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Some reasons for Detroit

    Guess the msm missed these.......
     
  2. Steve Fischer

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    Detroit is the perfect example of the progressive Democratic party. It has been run by Democrats since 1961 and has had one crooked administration after another running the city. I know, cause I lived there for many years, and watched the corruption, union bullying, drugs, and too many people on the dole wear it down.

    When the car companies were so successful in the fifties and sixties, the city had the highest per capita wealth in the country. Prior to the 50's much of the War materials such as tanks, jeeps, heavy artillery, aircraft and the like, was built in the many large factories and smaller machine shops throughout the city to supply the needs of WWII and Korea. All of which was a direct result of Henry Ford and his innovative ways in assembly line mechanics.

    But, as time went on (and much like today), the powers that ran the City and the unions, (ie. Jimmy Hoffa) became more and more corrupt and wasted the city resources, literally stealing and embezzling from the city and the people,but as long as the free stuff, and the unions holding up the car companies for more and more benefits, higher and higher wages kept coming, these crooks and gangsters kept getting voted in by the mostly Democratic populace year after year. Mayors like Coleman Young, Kirkpatrick (now in prison) and the like, got away with murder while the people turned a blind eye to their corruption and crimes. Drugs found their way into the inner city and thrived.

    My father was a police officer there for 25 years, and would roll over in his grave if he saw how badly the city deteriorated after his era. My brother, followed my father into police work in Detroit for another 20 years, and my mother worked for the Wayne County Prosecutor's office for over 30 years, as a testimonial stenographer, which gave me and my family a truer, closer picture of exactly what was happening in Detroit.

    Today, among other problems, ignorance, greed, and loss of the 2 parent family only made the downward fall accelerate to what we now see. Massive unemployment, once at a 270,000 plus jobs high, is now down to about 27,000, and crime is 10 times worse than any other comparable city. Police response is at 58 minutes, with a force reduction of about 40% due to lack of funds. The city has lost 63% of its once high population of over 1 1/2 million, now down to under 700,000, and murder is at the top of the nation's list. Sadly, you now risk life and limb just driving through the wasteland that once was my home town.

    I still have family up there, but out in the suburbs and well outside the city limits. They live a completely different lifestyle and property values are well above average. They are in smaller, more compact communities, and far enough from the Detroit city limits to be much safer. Meanwhile, in the city, literally thousands of homes have been abandoned and property there can be bought for often far less than $500! Most you wouldn't want, because the crack heads and dealers have destroyed them.

    Wildlife such as pheasants and deer have moved back where square kilometers of housing has been leveled and turned back into bare land. Some people are even farming on housing lots that have been razed and are reverting to farming to help their existence. If you would like to see some of what I am referring to, just look up Detroit on You Tube and it will stun you as it did me.

    I can only hope that Obama will NOT save this city from bankruptcy, and let it die the death the free loaders and takers have made happen over the years. It is truly amazing how the Democrats have taken down a proud old city in about 50 years, that was once the backbone of American industry since the early l900's.

    If Obama had a city... it would look like Detroit.
     
  3. shannon391

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    Of the 700k left in Detroit, how many are on the dole???
     
  4. timberfaller

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    Obo saying he wouldn't let it happen.

    That alone sealed their doom.
     
  5. Bob Hawkes

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    Thank you Mr. Fischer for the first hand view, very sad isn't it. But then again so is the state of our country today, heading for Detroit.
     
  6. wireguy

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    If the democrats save Detroit it will become the living symbol of the agonizing "always dying but never allowed to die" wretched existence of that which the left touches.
     
  7. Big Al 29

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    Just watch Hard Core Pawn. After watching the patrons and the workers its not hard to believe Detroit is the toilet bowl like most major cities in the USA.
     
  8. CharlieAMA

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    I think Margaret Thatcher said-'Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money'. That should say it all for Detroit. But they will blame Henry Ford Sr. and Bush for it.
     
  9. Chichay

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    The only difference between Detriot and the United States is that Detriot can not print money. Once the rest of the world wakes up to how much the American dollar is devaluating (the Federal Reserve is printing some 90 billion new money monthly) and stop accepting dollars in trade (e.g. buying oil), we will follow Detriot's fate. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. Chichay
     
  10. wireguy

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    Very astute observation Chichay.
     
  11. shannon391

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    Yes, our national debt has reached epic proportions, we have 50 million Americans on food stamps. We have an ever growing, bloated government that spends way more than it can take in.
     
  12. SBray

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    Of course they are going to blame the GOP:


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    (Details of the cartoon are easier to read at the URL, but it shows GOP on the switchman's jacket emblem.)

    Steve
     
  13. hardrock

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    how many here complaining driving jap cars ?
     
  14. hmb

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    Korean car assembled in USA with a transmission made in Japan. When I went into the Chevrolet Dealer to buy a Blazer and told him the Hyundai Dealer across the street gave a much better warrantee, he said to go across the street. So I did. HMB
     
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    I am driving a Korean KIA made in occupied Georgia. After looking at the Rav4 and Honda CRV I went with the Sorrento. Bigger. I liked several features better and there is a cargo hold underneath the rear floor mat big enough for three luggage cased guns plus extras. 17 thousand plus so far...no problems..hope it continues. ed nichols
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    There's always someone who brings up people buying import cars as the blame for Detroit's woes. If you want to play that game, there is a reason why people bought imports.

    First, affordability. Detroit kept pricing themselves off the market. I remember when tariffs were increased on imports "to level the playing field and give detroit a chance". What did Detroit do? You'd think they would sell cars and trucks like hotcakes. Nope, they RAISED the prices, making them even MORE unaffordable.

    Second, quality. Detroit kept adhering to their doctrine of obsolescence, deliberately engineering a limited lifespan into their products before they were worn out. This ensures their products would become junk sooner and boost sales. Toyota, on the other hand, stuck with a doctrine of trying to make their products last as long as possible. Mercedes is the real winner here. Their diesel engine can easily surpass 300,000 miles.

    Third, warranties. If Detroit was building quality products, then they should be able to put a decent warranty on them. Instead, they want to leave the owner high and dry with expensive repairs, forcing a trade in on a new vehicle.

    Fourth, engineering shortcuts that result in junk products. Like the infamous piston slap problem with GM. Sure, it saves a lot of money not hand fitting pistons. But the poor saps who wind up with out of spec, rattling engines that break piston skirts aren't saving any money. And GM no longer warranties this problem. Their attitude is, there is no problem, please trade it in on a new truck.

    Fifth, you don't get customer loyalty by angering them. Foisting junk on a customer and then leaving them high and dry ensure they will not be back at your dealerships.

    Sixth, not giving buyers what they want. For example, there was a time when the only way to get a new convertible was to go to an import dealer.

    Seventh, Detroit no longer innovates. It used to be the Japanese who were accused of copying Detroit. Now the innovation is done in Japan and Germany, and Detroit copies them.

    Eighth, putting money into innovation and quality instead of union pensions. This is the big kicker. Detroit has the albatross of having to pay for pensions and a lot of your new big Three vehicle goes to pay union benefits. Meanwhile some Japanese companies have built non-union plants in the US, are paying workers well, have a satisfied workforce, and are able to put their earnings into quality and innovation.

    Ninth, and do so in cities that are not run by job killing, incompetent, greedy, socialists.

    Tenth, and not need a bozo president to bail them out and screw over shareholders.
     
  17. SBray

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    Very good Brian!

    I haven't bought an American car since 1976. It was a Chevy Camaro, which had at least a dozen things wrong with it when I drove off the lot. I have recently purchased Toyotas during the last fifteen years or more. My Sequoia is built in the US, as well as my wife's Highlander.

    I will always look for American built before looking elsewhere, but there is no way I am going to buy something of poor quality just because it is American made.

    Chicago, Detroit, and many other major cities are good examples of too much government, and wasteful spending, not to leave out people and government workers spending more than they take in.

    I hope our country gets its act together before it is too late~

    JMHO,

    Steve
     
  18. darr

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    Toyotas leave Detroit in the dust. And as SBray stated made right here in the US by non union workers. Well built, well engineered and a pleasure to drive. They aren't inexpensive but are worth the money. My wife can't even tear a Toyota up.


    Darr
     
  19. wireguy

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    Import automobiles have created tens of thousands percent more jobs than were ever lost due to imports. There is more to jobs in the automotive industry than merely manufacturing. The aftermarket and hot rod industries for import vehicles have created fantastic numbers of jobs. Aftermarket wheels alone probably have created enough jobs that they alone make up the difference.

    Don't tell me those jobs would have been created to serve cars made by the big 3 anyway. That is bullspit. It is the creative differences in the many import cars that has allowed the aftermarket parts industry to flourish. Those many different applications would never exist if the market had been for only the big 3.
     
  20. alf174

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    Not "Made" in America, "Assembled" in America, big difference. And the profits from those products leaves the country, back to where those businesses are based. And those countries typically have high tariffs on American imports. It wouldn't be bad if it was fair both ways but our government is weak when it comes to trade negotiations (eg NAFTA). Notice I didn't pick on the auto market, its true with other products.
     
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