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Soccer mom gets back her CCW

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  1. BPSR

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    Gun-toting Pa. mom gets back concealed gun permit
    Wednesday, October 15th, 2008 at 4:06am EST


    LEBANON, Pa.

    A mother who angered fellow parents when she openly carried a pistol to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game got her concealed weapons permit back Tuesday after a Pennsylvania judge overruled a sheriff's decision to revoke it.

    Meleanie Hain lost the permit after other parents complained about the presence of the gun during a soccer game on Sept. 11. Lebanon County Judge Robert Eby, who said he also is a gun owner with a concealed weapons permit, said the law required him to return Hain's permit.

    But he questioned her judgment, saying she "scared the devil" out of others at the soccer field.

    "Fear doesn't belong at a kid's soccer game from any source," Eby said.

    Hain testified at the Tuesday hearing that she did not intend to intimidate anyone but felt she had to carry the gun openly because warm-weather clothing made it difficult to hide a firearm. She said her husband's line of work, which was not disclosed, made her a "greater target" than the average person.

    "I'm certainly not looking to shoot anyone over a goal," she told Eby, also adding that she had carried an unconcealed firearm without any problems in the past.

    George Christianson, a lawyer for the Lebanon County Sheriff's office, said the decision would not be appealed.

    Hain said she was satisfied and plans to take her gun to a youth soccer game in the future.

    "People have the right to voice their opinion ... and I have a right to my Second Amendment right," she said. "A gun-free zone says to a criminal: 'Easy target.'"
     
  2. trapshootin hippie

    trapshootin hippie Well-Known Member

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    MrkSLC, the law says that she can carry openly. Is she violating the law by obeying it?
     
  3. bigdogtx

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    She cannot carry concealed to the soccer game, but she can carry openly.
     
  4. wolfram

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    Since the CCW permit was returned, this lady must have been within her rights. Thats one of the problems with carrying concealed, there are many times when you don't want to wear a vest or extra shirt and a belt rig will stand out like a sore thumb. People that don't carry or don't understand the laws get alarmed when they see a gun in public settings so the best bet is to make every efort to keep the gun out of view. That the stong point of the 2" j frame revolvers, you can put them in your pants pocket if need be and not show your 'hand' in the process.
     
  5. Haskins Bill

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    Oh yes, the outhouse lawyers will weigh in on this thread for sure. MrkSLC in Ohio it is okay to carry openly whether you have a CCW permit or not. Now then this was Pennsylvania and of course different states have their own rules. In fact the latest from the Attorney General's office in Ohio on the subject has a specific secton that addressed open carry. Nothing at all about not having it loaded. Bill
     
  6. ronbo142

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    The root of the problem is that the media has convinced the general population that a gun is evil, if you have a gun on your person you are evil therfore call the police.

    Ronbo
     
  7. W.P.T.

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    I have a CCW, I carry open and concealed, both are completely legal and proper ... I have never seen anything that says because you have a CCW that a weapon must be concealed, though there would be many places where concealed would be better for all involved it is not mandatory ... If it is in writing any place but on TS.Com and posted by MrkSLC I would like to know where so I could see it for myself ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  8. sammyd95

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    Thats the trouble with the CCW ,to many grey areas,and we all lose !
     
  9. primed

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    Hard to make a blanket statement here as laws vary widely from state to state. Here in Minnesota, you often hear the law referred to as concealed carry but it is not. In Utah, the permit is called a CFP, concealed firearms permit, but again concealment is not required. In Minnesota a gun is loaded it it contains any cartridges. In Utah, a gun is not considered loaded unless it can be fired by one single physical action. That would be a single pull of the trigger. If the weapon has a full magazine, or an empty position in a revolver next up, it is unloaded in Utah. Racking the slide and pulling the trigger is 2 actions so is officially unloaded. Having to pull thetrigger twice on a revolver to get it to fire is also unloaded.

    I never carry out of state without reading the actual statutes for my destination and any other states that I may travel through. I don't read blogs, or TS.com, etc but the actual statutes when I need facts.

    It would be great to have uniform law but it is not likely to happen in our lifetimes.

    Bob
     
  10. wayneo

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    In Indiana we have two permits. One is a target permit, that lets you transport firearms for target shooting and hunting, the other is called a Personal Protection permit, this lets you carry it any way you want. Wayne
     
  11. Yosemite Sam

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    MrkSLC said:
    "The firearm can not have a cartridge in the chamber."
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    "However, if you have a Concealed Carry Permit, you can NOT carry a gun openly"


    Could you please show me the laws that state this?
     
  12. W.P.T.

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    I think MrkSLC figured out that his comment was not very accurate and I have my doubts about him responding to any requests for proof of his statements ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  13. wolfram

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    Since the CCW permit was returned, this lady must have been within her rights. Thats one of the problems with carrying concealed, there are many times when you don't want to wear a vest or extra shirt and a belt rig will stand out like a sore thumb. People that don't carry or don't understand the laws get alarmed when they see a gun in public settings so the best bet is to make every efort to keep the gun out of view. That the stong point of the 2" j frame revolvers, you can put them in your pants pocket if need be and not show your 'hand' in the process.
     
  14. Haskins Bill

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    Oh yes, the outhouse lawyers will weigh in on this thread for sure. MrkSLC in Ohio it is okay to carry openly whether you have a CCW permit or not. Now then this was Pennsylvania and of course different states have their own rules. In fact the latest from the Attorney General's office in Ohio on the subject has a specific secton that addressed open carry. Nothing at all about not having it loaded. Bill
     
  15. ronbo142

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    The root of the problem is that the media has convinced the general population that a gun is evil, if you have a gun on your person you are evil therfore call the police.

    Ronbo
     
  16. W.P.T.

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    I have a CCW, I carry open and concealed, both are completely legal and proper ... I have never seen anything that says because you have a CCW that a weapon must be concealed, though there would be many places where concealed would be better for all involved it is not mandatory ... If it is in writing any place but on TS.Com and posted by MrkSLC I would like to know where so I could see it for myself ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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    Thats the trouble with the CCW ,to many grey areas,and we all lose !
     
  18. primed

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    Hard to make a blanket statement here as laws vary widely from state to state. Here in Minnesota, you often hear the law referred to as concealed carry but it is not. In Utah, the permit is called a CFP, concealed firearms permit, but again concealment is not required. In Minnesota a gun is loaded it it contains any cartridges. In Utah, a gun is not considered loaded unless it can be fired by one single physical action. That would be a single pull of the trigger. If the weapon has a full magazine, or an empty position in a revolver next up, it is unloaded in Utah. Racking the slide and pulling the trigger is 2 actions so is officially unloaded. Having to pull thetrigger twice on a revolver to get it to fire is also unloaded.

    I never carry out of state without reading the actual statutes for my destination and any other states that I may travel through. I don't read blogs, or TS.com, etc but the actual statutes when I need facts.

    It would be great to have uniform law but it is not likely to happen in our lifetimes.

    Bob
     
  19. wayneo

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    In Indiana we have two permits. One is a target permit, that lets you transport firearms for target shooting and hunting, the other is called a Personal Protection permit, this lets you carry it any way you want. Wayne
     
  20. Yosemite Sam

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    MrkSLC said:
    "The firearm can not have a cartridge in the chamber."
    and
    "However, if you have a Concealed Carry Permit, you can NOT carry a gun openly"


    Could you please show me the laws that state this?
     
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