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Snap caps are dangerous

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by mrskeet410, Oct 12, 2008.

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  1. mrskeet410

    mrskeet410 TS Member

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    In the thread "Widow sues club in death of spouse",

    ljutic 111 wrote “The way it was first explained is that the man possibly put a live shell in the gun , in the parking lot , mistaking it for a snap cap .”
     
  2. mrskeet410

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    Anything that provides an incentive for someone to drop the hammers anywhere but on the line and pointed down-range is dangerous.

    I bet Mr. Giovaniello never had a snap cap go off until....

    I'm sure the widow is greatly consoled by that.
     
  3. crusha

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    Snap caps, by the nature of what they are, reinforce the act of sticking _something_ into a chamber while away from the firing line, and snapping the trigger. They are an inanimate object, but one that reverses the usual standard working rules of how guns are handled.


    Not to mention totally useless to the function & maintenance of the gun.



    Every time I see somebody sticking something in a chamber and clicking near me, I start to cringe and get that "will I ever see my family again" feeling.


    It's rude. Just quit it, folks.
     
  4. BDodd

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    I'm with buzzy here. I've never owned a gun I couldn't, somehow, break down and relax the hammer springs while disassembled. I, personally, don't like anything in the chamber except at the firing line. Not preaching, just my opinion.....breakemall.....Bob Dodd
     
  5. crusha

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    Flalagarto,


    Do whatever you want in your house...but if you come hang your wall chart up behind the firing line at my club, and start sticking things in the chamber, closing the gun, swinging it around and clicking, I'm going to have management escort you out of the club.


    They will walk you past the sign stating the rules, and then they will send you on your merry way, too.
     
  6. dmarbell

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    Snap caps don't kill people. People kill people.

    Danny

    P.S. I have the Jordan Wall Chart mounted in my garage. There is nothing behind my house for more than birdshot range, especially after the shot goes through the chart and exterior wall made of HardyPlank. I examine the snap cap thoroughly before it goes in the gun, three times if I've had a beer or three before practice. I look at the crimp end, and feel it with my fingers.

    I, personally, would never point a loaded gun, loaded with live shells, snap caps, or anything, or even an unloaded gun, in any direction where there are people, animals, or objects that could be damaged by the ejecta.

    I don't like the feeling of being painted by the business end of a break-down gun, even when the breach is open.
     
  7. crusha

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    Sportshot,


    Oh, but wait 'till you hear from the loudmouth B-class K-80 owner, who says he needs to "protect his investment."


    I think I hear one coming now...
     
  8. spitter

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    I like the wooly snap caps. After a day at the range, in goes the Tico Tool, Bore Snake if there's some build up and an oiled wooly snap cap into the chamber(s).

    Now I break down my guns and use them to keep the chambers oiled, but when I have an assembled gun in the case, I do snap the cap, but I do it at the car, with the gun pointed toward a safe direction - which can vary depending upon where I've parked.

    For you guys who don't like caps - my apologies in advance for jerking your nerves... but caps have absolutely nothing to do with someone shooting a loaded firearm, or pointing a firearm in the wrong direction.

    We don't blame sub-gauge tube sets for the knucklehead who puts a 20 gauge shell into a 12 gauge. Its the knucklehead...

    I understand the concern, I have fellow shooters who do not like caps at my club, but they have to deal with it.

    I have no qualms correcting bad firearm behavior, but the average Joe is reticent to say anything, even to a close buddy who exhibits bad manners or unsafe firearm handling - who's to blame then?!

    We cannot ensure 100% safety, we just have to hope our luck (preparation meeting opportunity) holds...

    Jay
     
  9. Shooting Coach

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    Since I deal with many new and inexperienced shooters, The MTSU Clay Target Club and its Team will no longer bring a gun to a scheduled practice that is a relic, or antique, and snap caps will not be used at any time.

    You and I, being in this game a long time, pay attention to what we are doing with a firearm in our control. Not everyone has this problem.

    BTW, the cocking levers on the Krieghoff may be held with a towel and released slowly when the trigger is pulled to decock the firearm with out a firing pin strike.

    Do what you want away from me. You telling me that you are going to be rude and stupid in my presence with a firearm and that I will have to deal with it is not the way it is going to happen.

    If you are rude and stupid with a firearm in my presence to a point I feel threatened, I WILL DEAL WITH IT.
     
  10. trapshootin hippie

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    After shooting the other day, I put the snap cap in the BT 99 and pulled the trigger. Broke the gun down. put it in the cans and bout 3 minutes later, heard a loud BANG. You guessed it, the snap cap had a hang fire and blew the end of the case out. Will never use em again. Lesson learned.
     
  11. cls

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    It's really pretty simple. I learned it when I was around 5 or 6 years old. ALWAYS handle a gun as if it were loaded. And... NEVER point it in an unsafe direction. There are some exceptions of course, like toe pads and when I want a gun fitter to look down the sight plane of my gun from the muzzle end. But if you follow these two simply rules, nobody gets hurt.

    The idea that snap caps are dangerous is silly. Sort of like closing your gun before it's your turn... cls
     
  12. maclellan1911

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    Problem is a lapse in safty. At no point should a action be closed, pointed and above all trigger pulled unless weapon is down range. My dad preaches this to the day. We had a unfortunate death in the family involving firearms. When the police confiscated the remaining fire arms. My dad freaked out when the officers walked down the stairs with the guns removed from the cases with the action closed. proceded to lecture the officer on safe gun handling. Anytime I see someone handling a gun other than on the range. Snap caps or not. Watching someone with a firearms pointed anywhere but down range then pullingthe trigger is nerve racking.
     
  13. nipper

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    snap caps are not dangerous, the people who use them are dangerous

    Bill
     
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    snap caps aren't dangerous, liberals are.
     
  15. hmb

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    K-80 owners, read the owners manual. It says dry firing an empty gun will do no harm to the gun. HMB
     
  16. phirel

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    I don't use snap caps but I don't mind others using them. I do release the hammers on an empty chamber. I point my gun up to fire the hammers.

    trapshootin hippie- Your story lacks credibility. First a 3 minute hang fire? Then, a shell will burn but not detonate in an open barrel. Except for the primer causing a lot of sparks, it is safe to toss a shotgun shell in an open fire.

    Pat Ireland
     
  17. dmarbell

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    Once again, with feeling. NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN INJURED BY A SNAP CAP!

    A snap cap cannot, will not, never, ever harm any individual, unless you can shove it far enough up an orifice to cause damage.

    Never, ever, point any gun, loaded, unloaded, break-down or otherwise, at anything that can be harmed by the ejecta.

    What is so hard about this?

    Danny
     
  18. nipper

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    Its really pretty simple--one must blame every mistake on something else,it never can be personal responsibility.

    Bill
     
  19. crusha

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    Again-


    While away from the firing line, is it permissible by safe gun handling rules, to:


    1. Insert something in the chamber,


    2. (optional) then pull the trigger?


    Stated another way-


    What part of "Open or Out" don't you understand?
     
  20. phirel

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    buzz-gun How do you suggest that one uncocks the hammers prior to breaking down a gun and putting it in a case? I don't use snap caps but I do pull my trigger twice after checking and making sure the chambers are empty.

    Pat Ireland
     
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