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"Snap Cap" blows hole through picnic table seat

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  1. Dr. Honk

    Dr. Honk Member

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    I shot at one of the clubs I belong to in upstate NY today. I have not shot at this club in several years and I probably will not shoot there again.

    One of the club members shot two rounds of trap and started to put his stuff away. There were several other members standing around the picnic table when we heard the report and felt the rubble hitting our shins. The guy put a "snap cap"
    in his gun and pulled the trigger. The end of the barrel wasresting on the picnic table seat when it discharged. There was a hole right through the 2"X 6" seat and the rubble underneath was spread.

    The club member reached in his pocket and pulled out the real snap cap and said "that was a live round, here is the snap cap". That was it. No I'm sorry. That was a stupid thing to do. Nothing.

    Needless to say, I put my stuff in the Jeep and headed for home.

    Please, please, please............ never take anything for granted. If you are going to put a snap cap in the chamber, make sure it is a snap cap before pulling the trigger.

    I fell blessed that no one got hurt....

    Dr. Honk
     
  2. bcnu

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    And THAT is why folks shouldn't use snap caps. I don't see how on earth one could mistake a live round for a snap cap but that is neither here nor there.

    Just as Forrest Gump said..."stupid is as stupid does"

    John
     
  3. Hauxfan

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    Okay, it is dumb, I know. But I'm sure the man didn't do it on purpose.

    That being said, I myself am not a believer in snap caps just for that sole reason.

    You can see what happens when someone isn't paying attention........And we have all had those "not paying attention" moments, just not maybe with guns or being life or death.

    Be careful out there!

    Hauxfan!
     
  4. hoggy

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    That's a good reason to only use snap caps that have the fuzzy stuff that goes into the chamber. Even a moron would know the difference by feel if nothing else.
     
  5. Capt. Morgan

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    "... And THAT is why folks shouldn't use snap caps."

    That is a really illogical statement.

    Does it also follow that people should not drive cars and for the same reason?

    Morgan
     
  6. alpine

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    Actually the saying is:
    “Every time a system is made foolproof - a new class of fool emerges.”
    Prod Harris
     
  7. BDodd

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    I heard of a fellow that was checking out a gun that was for sale. He asked if it was alright to handle the gun from the owner and got permission. He opened the gun to see that it was unloaded and safe. Good show! He then asked the owner if he minded if he used a snap cap and tested the trigger and got an OK. He placed his snap cap in the gun, closed it and pointed the muzzle in the air but over a number of spectators and torched off a round over the heads of the spectators. Yup, anything that even resembles a live round just plain should not be used as a snap cap and none should be carried around in the same pocket with live rounds. The worst of all is the fellow that uses an empty hull for a snap cap.

    My advice, just to balance Sir Morgan's point, is that the use of snap caps is totally unnecessary since nearly every gun can be broken down and hammer springs relaxed when there is zero chance for a brain goof. I don't like any snap cap that has the feel or resemblance to a live round. Then, pulling the trigger at a totally inappropriate time or place should be reason to send a shooter home for the day....Bob Dodd
     
  8. wannaz

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    This same thing happened last year where my son shoots. The sad thing about it is the guy is a scorer (in his 60s). My son is/was small for a twelve yr. old last year, he shoots a bt micro. The guy scoring said something to my son about not being safe on the line, the way he had to snap the bt open, it was kind of stiff at that time. Never once did anyone else ever say anything to him about it. The barrel is/was always pointed down range, and he never had a misfiring problem. We left after a Saturday practice session a week or two later maybe more than that, seems the score keeper shot a round, when done, he was walking back to the club house, and dropped a "snap cap" in his gun and pulled the trigger. The gun went off, and a fellow walking near him actually had a couple of pellets penetrate his leg. I thought it was kind of ironic that this guy was "teaching" my son about trapshooting safety. At least the guy was sincerely apologetic in this case Fortunately no one was seriously injured, and no property was damaged. The guy who got hit will never shoot with the score keeper again, guaranteed. The score keeper uses spent shells for a snap cap. My son has a wooly snap cap for his gun that doesn't get put into the gun until we are back at the truck.
     
  9. bcnu

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    Sorry, but I just don't see the need for a snap cap. Check with most of the makers and they will tell you that unless you snap it empty thousands of times, there is no problem. And the empty hull for a snap cap is totally useless. John
     
  10. maclellan1911

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    My pa always said, point the gun in a safe direction...DOWN RANGE when you pull that trigger. empty or not. stupid
     
  11. Jim101

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    Snap caps or live shells didn't do anything. Stupid gun owner did.







    Jim
     
  12. nipper

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    why would someone place the muzzle on the bench of a picnic table then pull the trigger with or without a snap cap, and it had to be a pump or semi gun,sorry this story just dosent make sense to me,what am i missing..

    bill
     
  13. The Rock

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    My snap caps are only 1&1/4" long. But I still make sure the the gun is not pointing any way but down and clear.

    Rock

    Jim
     
  14. wannaz

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    I really don't know what he was thinking closing up his gun while still walking near the 24-27 yrd. line towards the club house from what I was told. I know it's not a made up story, as I work with the guy's wife that got hit with the shot, plus I talked to him about it the following weekend. I imagine he was going to put his gun in the rack, until he either left, or got done score keeping for the day. He's a nice guy, but that's no excuse for what happened, period. This guy has been around trapshooting a very long time, just goes to show that no matter how long you've been doing it, you can still make rookie mistakes. The shot actually bounced off the concrete around the 24-27 yd. line and hit the guy with the ricochet. Believe me, I made a mistake once last year myself, felt like an idiot after my gun went off right down along side the traphouse. Had my finger on/in the trigger guard when closing the gun (BT), and nudged the trigger while closing it, bang, makes you feel about two inches tall. Just missed the wiring harness for the voice calls. I hope that was my one and only mistake I ever make at the trap range.
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

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    <i>Jim101, quote: "Snap caps or live shells didn't do anything. Stupid gun owner did."</i><br>
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    Exactly.
     
  16. omgb

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    OK, this one I have to comment on. It's not the snap cap, it's careless gun handling. Who in the hell ever points a gun at a table and pulls the trigger? Who points a gun at anything he doesn't intend to shoot and then pulls the trigger? I'll tell you who, a slob. And that slob is going to hurt someone some day for sure. I get the hebi-jeebies just watching guys use toe rests. Familiarity breeds contempt. We shoot thousands of rounds a year. If we permit ourselves to get sloppy and lazy with regard to gun safety we will have an accident, no two ways about it. If one uses snap caps but never pulls the trigger unless the barrel is pointed down range then one will never have a problem. Do it in the back of your car, at a picnic bench, in a building and sooner or later you will have a discharge. Period.
     
  17. Brian in Oregon

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    There are two kinds of people who have negligent discharges....<br>
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    Those who have.....<br>
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    And those who will.<br>
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    If you don't want to be in either catagory, then you must be alert, totally cognizant, and not be complacent about safe gun handling.
     
  18. theodorescolt45

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    Ok, the real problem is todays modern guns, if we would all shoot hammer guns this would never happen does not matter if its a sidehammer, center hammer or under hammer. All guns without external hammers should be illegal in trap, skeet or sporting clays. They should all be melted for scrap or converted. We need to all stick together and pass this legislation so this does not happen again. Snap caps No ! Hammer Guns yes !
     
  19. wolfram

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    I was at a State shoot a few years ago and there was this older guy on my squad that had one of those high end guns that for some reason couldn't withstand having the hammer springs compressed. So he would come off the line drop a snap cap in and dry fire the gun. Thats okay except the muzzle of the gun was usually pointed up and once I was looking down a tube when I heard that click. His reply to my verbal exclaimation was 'don't worry it's not loaded'.

    So my take on snap caps is that they are great solutions for making problems. If your high buck shotgun is so fragile that the hammer springs cannot remain compressed for a few hours then perhaps it isn't as good as it needs to be.
     
  20. timb99

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    Exactly why I don't carry snap caps with me to the club when I shoot.
     
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