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Show me your Pre Shotmaking set up

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  1. marotta

    marotta Member

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    How do you melt your lead BEFORE you send it to your Shotmaker?

    What do you use, type of stove or burner, type of pan, molds, laddles, skimmers.

    I like the thought of using a dutch oven over a cast iron propane camp stove and skimming the waste then using a laddle to move the lead into the molds.

    I saw a setup online where the smelting pot had a lever that raised to let the molten lead drop out the bottom hole onto a waiting ingot mold. I would think that a pot like this would allow only the cream of the crop to drop out the bottom while leaving the wheel weight clips and dirt to rise up to the top, making a more cleaner ingot.

    Has anyone come across this, or had experience with this type of pot?

    Your pre shotmaker setup pictures would be greatly appreciated if they were posted for all of us to see.

    Raffaele
     
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    A bottom drain would be good unless a piece of stuff gets into the hole, then it would leak. The clips are easily removed with a magnet on a wire, then scrape off the dross with a large spoon. I too would like to see some other setups!
     
  3. duke76

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    I use a turkey cooker and a cast iron pot and melt the lead and pour it into muffin tins then I put the ingots (muffin ingots) into the shotmaker. Here is a link to my setup

    http://loesshillsarmory.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=210
     
  4. snarepeg

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    I USE A PROPANE BOTTLE CUT IN HALF, TWO BARS WELDED EACH SIDE NEAR TOP.

    SPOUT HAMMERED INTO LIP AND A 4 FT HANDLE AT THE BACK.

    THIS SET UP INTO A FRAME THAT ALOWES IT TO TILT FORWARD TO POUR THE LEAD.

    HEATED BY A LARGE GAS RING.SNAREPEG.
     
  5. Jim101

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    I have a burner that's like a giant propane torch. Use a castiron pot that will hold about 50 lbs of lead. I fashioned a steel tube for a pour spout that
    drains from the bottom of the pot. I use the cheap nonstick muffin pans for ingot moulds. Not in these old pix, I have installed a cable and pully system with a counter weight to balance the weight of the lead pot. Guess I need to get some updated pix. Sure saves the old back muscles.



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  6. marotta

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    Sounds like good plans....

    Jim, can you show us some updated pics, especially some pics of the pan you made with the pour spout?

    Does it work well?

    Does the spout get clogged?

    Raffaele
     
  7. k3uro

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    Hey,

    Most things will float to the top in lead :eek:). Therefore a bottem dripper works out really nice. But the volume would be a problem. Just skim it off of the top.

    Watch out that the lead is dry. Water expands at the rate of 1200 times itself, therfore 1 drop of water will equal 1200 drops of steam. Makes a real mess.

    Take care,

    Jim
     
  8. marotta

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    I'll try to get some new pix tomorrow evening. All depends on what time I get home from the gun club.


    Jim
     
  10. marotta

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    I made my lead melting pot from a piece of well casing. When I welded the bottom on, I had a very small pin hole. My first melt produced a stream of real clean lead from this hole.

    I shut it down, and repaired it, but it got me thinking. Why couldn't I weld a small piece of 3/8 pipe in the bottom of the side, so the lead could just run into my molds as it melted?

    I haven't tried this yet, but I do have an extra piece of well casing, and I just might.

    Danny
     
  12. Jim101

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    Here ya go Racertracer.
    I don't have any problems with the pouring tube clogging up. It's 3/8ths steel
    tube.

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    The modified iron pot. I know it’s a little dirty, But I just finished up 1500 lbs of
    Wheel weights.


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    Looking down on the burner. The piece of 12inch pipe is courtesy of Williams gas Co.
    It makes a real good wind screen.


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    Between the container and what’s on the table is 1500 lbs of alloy.
     
  13. marotta

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    Very nice set up JIm.

    Is the rope attached to a small tackle?

    How do you raise it?


    Raffaele
     
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    Yes, The rope runs tru a couple of pullys. The small bucket contains the balance weights. I still handle the pot by hand. Use vice grips for a handle.
    The weights just make it a lot easier to handle.

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  15. Shootrman

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    I have a 220v smelting pot that melts up to 90 lbs. at a shot. Take no time at all. It does have the bottom spring loaded drain that you speak of. I use the bottom of a military stainless steel mess kit for my molds. I had originally tried the aluminum muffin molds but the molds keep bending and deforming. The mess kit is an easy dump. I skim my dirt off with a Stainless steel spoon. I skim the metal clips off with a wire strainer spoon.
     
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    AJAX.

    BOTTOM OF A B.B.Q BOTTLE, WORKS FINE. P.S. MAKE SURE ITS EMPTY BEFORE CUTTING, MORE SO IFF BURNING IN HALF. SNAREPEG.
     
  17. marotta

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    Jim,

    I hope you don't mind, but I may use your idea. It looks like a good plan.





    Shooterman,

    Where did you find a 220v 90 pound smelting pot? Did you make it yourself? Can you post some pictures for us to see?





    Snarepeg,

    I like your idea of using the bottom of a used propane tank from an outdoor grill as a smelting pot. Did you attach handles to it? What kind of stove are you using? Can you post some pictures for us to see?


    Pictures speak a thousand words and I appreciate you sharing them.

    Thanks

    Raffaele
     
  18. Jim101

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    This is the one I'm planning to buy. I think it could be easily set up to feed molten alloy directly into the shotmaker. I would think it would be a lot easier to keep the temp and alloy level consistent. Result should be more uniform shot. Jim


    Cast Master is the leading large capacity melting pot for 10 cavity molds.
    90 pound alloy capacity.
    The bottom pour feature uses various sized orifice plates to control lead flow.
    Removal of the orifice plate allows for ingot pouring.
    The valve handle controls the duration of the pour.
    Three-wire cord is suitable for a plug or direct wiring into a junction box.
    Machine parts are available for same day shipping from stock.
    Specifications:
    240v
    13 amps
    3000 watts.
     
  19. Jim101

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    If you are going to flame cut a propane tank? Take the valve out and fill it with soapy water. Start the cut with the water in the tank. Naturally the water runs out as the cut progresses, But it will take away the explosive atmosphere in the tank. I have cut many this way, One as large as 200 gallons, Without any problems.





    Jim
     
  20. Dave P

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    Do most of you just use a spoon for skimming? Anything particular about them?
     
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