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Should we fly with or ship our guns?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by oskerspap12, Dec 30, 2009.

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  1. oskerspap12

    oskerspap12 Active Member

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    My son and I are travelling to the dixie grand in a few weeks, and i was just wondering whether we should ship the guns or just fly with them. One of the guns is a bt 99 in a browning hard case, and the other is a Caesar Guerrini in a guerrini hard plastic case, they both lock, just wondering which would be the best way.

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  2. mixer

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    With all the extra security paranoia on airlines recently I would suggest shipping them to yourself c/o Silver Dollar. Contact Mike Battista at the Dollar and set it up with him.


    Eric
     
  3. Frank C

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    If you plan on using those cases, better ship them in a padded cardboard box via ups.....flying with my hard metal Warwick case.....it had serious dents and creases in it after 5 or 6 round trips. I can't imagine what the Browning hard case and a PLASTIC case would look like.....my guess is that they would likely pop open and spill their guts....

    I don't think I am alone with my opinion....-Frank
     
  4. Frank C

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    Oskerspap12, the locks on a Browning Case are not strong enough to withstand the baggage gorillas, not sure what the CG locks are like....
     
  5. tuscarora 99

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    They are combination locks, not sure if they are very strong either.
     
  6. EuroJoe

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    Get a duffle bag with a compartment on the bottom and carry the gun cases in your baggage. Still must be hard and lockable, & must be declared and inspected, but they're not likely to be stolen because they won't look like gun cases.
     
  7. Barry C. Roach

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    I've never had a problem with flying as long as it is a non-stop flight. I did lose a couple of gun's once but it was a flight where I had to change planes. Evidently my guns didn't.
     
  8. Auctioneer

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    When I flew to FL in 2005 going out was not a problem. The TSA person was an NRA member. It was coming back that I had a problem. A TSA wanted my keys and I said "no". He was not happy. He and I got into it and I told him that I didn't have to give him my keys by any rule. If there is a problem with the case as it goes through the scanner then I will be here. He was not happy but sent the case through. I waited and saw that it came out the other end. I looked at the guy and asked "we OK"? In an angry voice "yes". Ship the gun to where your going. You do not know who will be anti gun or not.
     
  9. Bisi

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    I've always carried some packing tape with me. The TSA and airline people will want you to open the case and show em the gun. After they put their tag in there I then close the case, lock it then put tape around the lock. Will help to keep case closed and harder for clowns to open case and take stuff out. They can still steal whole case though.
     
  10. Baber

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    If you follow the rules and don't make a big issue of it you should not have a problem. I travel with a Rhino case and a big American Lock. I don't give up the key unless I can visually see it being used to open the case. Have had very few problems. I do buy the extra baggage insurance which is only to a max of $5k but it pits the airline on notice that they will pay if they lose the gun.

    Make sure you check the airline as some have stopped carrying guns.

    Tom
     
  11. Damifino

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    We travel all the time with our guns. It is not a big deal if you have them cased properly. They'll want an airline approved case with a TSA lock (one that the TSA has a key for).


    Understand the check-in clerk probably knows nothing about firearms and their inspection is only a formality. Be sure the breech is open and facing out when he/she opens the case. That way the clerk doesn't have to handle the weapon to check it. Most of them don't want to see it let alone touch it.


    You will be escorted to the TSA agent knows the deal and they normally only x-ray the case. They'll give you the thumbs up and you can head to the gate.


    If your son is Sub-Jr, he'll be shooting with mine, in category. Introduce yourself when you get here. Just ask at the desk, if you can't pick us out. The best part of this sport is the people we meet.


    Tom Boyer, (Emanuel's Dad)
     
  12. smsnyder

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    Just called Fed x. They will not ship guns. Only dealer to dealer. UPS has a terrible record with guns. Don't know if they ship.
     
  13. Baber

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    Daminfino:

    A TSA lock is a no no on a gun case. The rules state that a gun must have a lock that the key is in the possession of the owner. The TSA Open all lock is not allowed.

    TB
     
  14. Chip Pitcairn

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    I find it helpful to print out the firearms baggage regulations from the TSA and the airline I am flying on. I carry these with me and politely show it to the counter agent or TSA screener if there is a question. These people may not see someone flying with firearms very often and I often encounter misconceptions.
     
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    Too much mess...

    If you're flying with the guns, get real flight cases - Americase, Pelican, etc... they need to survive bagagge handlers and "carrying" cases are too flimsy.

    Locks - use one/pair only you can open... be careful about bring "hazmat" stuff, like RemOil, and other cleaning agents - makes TSA (who aren't that sharp anyway) nervous.

    Good ideas... seek out a airline rep who can walk you through, non-stop flights, make bag more visible...

    Also, any checked bagagge, bring "wire ties" to "lock" the bags - easy for TSA to cut, keeps the honest baggage folks, honest...

    My $0.02,

    jay
     
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    I have traveled the world with guns on airlines and it is not a big deal. Just be sure you have them in a good case. I do have a cover on my cases from big sky case covers.http://www.bigskycasecovers.com/ They protect the case as well as little more security.

    Good shooting!!
     
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    >> We travel all the time with our guns. It is not a big deal if you have them cased properly. They'll want an airline approved case with a TSA lock (one that the TSA has a key for).

    Wrong, do not, I repeat DO NOT use a TSA lock.

    Here are the reg's

    http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm

    The key regulatory requirements to transporting firearms, firearm parts or ammunition in checked baggage are:

    You must declare all firearms to the airline during the ticket counter check-in process.

    The firearm must be unloaded.

    The firearm must be in a hard-sided container.

    The container must be locked. A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you. Cases that can be pulled open with little effort do not meet this criterion. The pictures provided here illustrate the difference between a properly packaged and an improperly packaged firearm.

    We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft.

    You must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging that is specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

    You can't use firearm magazines/clips for packing ammunition unless they completely and securely enclose the ammunition (e.g., by securely covering the exposed portions of the magazine or by securely placing the magazine in a pouch, holder, holster or lanyard).

    You may carry the ammunition in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as long as you pack it as described above.

    You can't bring black powder or percussion caps used with black-powder type firearms in either your carry-on or checked baggage.

    Photo of a firearm properly packaged. We and other authorities strictly enforce these regulations. Violations can result in criminal prosecution and civil penalties of up to $10,000 per violation.


    Airlines may have their own additional requirements on the carriage of firearms and the amount of ammunition that you may have in your checked baggage. Therefore, travelers should also contact the airline regarding its firearm and ammunition carriage policies.

    Also, please note that many other countries have different laws that address transportation and possession of firearms. If you are traveling internationally, please check with the authorities at your destination about their requirements.
     
  19. ysr_racer

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    Since screening procedures vary from airport to airport, I suggest you go to the link above and print out the reg's.
     
  20. Damifino

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    Wow! Thanks! We have been all over with ours using TSA locks. (Strange because we had to take our personal lock off and BUY a TSA lock there) Hmmmm. Someone made a deal on TSA locks at the counter I'll bet.

    Thanks for the info!
     
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