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Should Military be allowed in school? Vote

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Remo, Mar 25, 2008.

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  1. Remo

    Remo TS Member

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    I'm sure many have heard about the school in Forest Lake MN that has caved to anti-military pressure and decided not to allow the tour of decorated vets of the Iraq & Afghanistan Wars to speak. (Vets for Freedom)

    click on above url to vote you displeasure with the school
     
  2. Remo

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    As a recruiting company commander I used to visit classrooms frequently with my recruiters to give presentations.

    My focus was the history and present use of inventions, discoveries and techniques developed or brought to America by the military and how these touched their lives everyday. Among them are:Malaria/yellow fever vacines (today the military is in the forefront of West Nile monitoring), Forensic lab technology(super glue finger printing), computers (backpackable computers today/internet), etc... We discussed little if any combat types of topics, focused on the majority of non-combat job specialties and asked the student to see us at the hall/lunchroom display if they were interested in finding out more about the Army. We did not recruit in the classroom.

    There are some interesting laws requiring certain access to student names/contact info for public schools, but some are very good at avoiding compliance with the law. Most of it boils down to the high school principle, guidance conselor and/or superintendents attitude towards the military. On a few occasions a local congressional aide for military affairs explained how he was beginning proceedings to block their federal aid under specific provisions of the law. That letter or phone call nearly always eliminated reluctance to comply with mandatory information sharing, although access was more difficult.

    Teachers who may have been skeptical nevertheless enjoyed their "day off" from teaching, the educational packet I left with them and a peaceful classroom for a day. EVERY teacher commented on how well behaved the students were that day and were surprised at how well they interacted. I thanked them and made no comments about how a little interactive teaching on their part could make a big difference.

    I also commented to counselors that had my counselor allow the military to talk to me I would have already been retired at 38 years old as a field grade officer instead of still being several years away. Their protecting me only made it more difficult for me to learn all the options available to me, cost me additional years before reaching retirement, and cost me 10's of thousands of dollars in tuition that Uncle Sam would have covered.

    Guess why I home school!!!!
     
  4. wolfram

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    We live in a small town that has a Naval air base and Navy representatives regularly make presentations at all the schools. (K-12) These aren't recruiting efforts as much as they are explanations of what people in the Navy do for a living. The kids are very interested in this stuff and look forward to 'Navy day'.

    If the Navy were to present material that the school or the parents did not approve of then yes the school would have the right to keep the Navy away from the school. Fortunately this is not the case in my community.
     
  5. RogerNRA

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    Why not????????????Roger
     
  6. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    Thats about the only dicipline kids would have a chance to get today. They certainly don't get it at home.
     
  7. Capt. Morgan

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    I couldn't find any details or any story explaining why the school district made the decision they made that supports the contention that they caved in to anti-military pressure. Even though I don't like what they did, I'd like to know the rest of the details.

    Morgan
     
  8. Primedust

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    I read that the school received several calls wanting to know what time of the day the military would arrive because they wanted to have a large protest group thier to meet them. The school board deemed it as becoming a political event instead of educational and cancelled it. Sad to see.
     
  9. BrowningGal

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    I went to the link posted and registered my "yes" vote. It appears that 94.2% of those that voted feel the same way, that the military should be allowed to speak at schools. Maybe the school board will change their minds about the policy.
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    "I'm opposed to the war but I support the troops."<br>
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    Uh, not when these liberals censor vets from speaking.
     
  11. gdbabin

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    Schools in general in my neck of the woods avoid discussion on current events. It's too bad; during the 60s & 70s while I was in Jr/Sr. HS, we had some really great debates on the issues. Many are paranoid these days about offending someone else's beliefs.

    The very same school that avoids discussion on current events that my sons attend is however very Military veteran friendly. They host a special day for Vets on Veterans Day each year, which is devoid of any political agenda.

    Guy Babin
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  12. ec90t

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    I can't believe that there are still people that are so uneducated that they fear someone coming to a school to talk about whatever. Most school systems have very definite guidelines as to what can be talked about and how it's presented. Maybe these radicals could stand to sit in on one of the lectures and learn something instead of just spouting off to anyone who'll listen.

    This country should take a few steps back and quit being so politically (in)correct.

    ec90t
     
  13. Capt. Morgan

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    " Uh, not when these liberals censor vets from speaking."

    I don't see censorship here. What I see is the decision by the school board to NOT have to try to defend subjective decisions.

    The school board would allow the vets to speak because it liked the message they would send but they would probably refuse to let the Klan speak because they DIDN'T like the message. Those are subjective decisions based on nothing more than individual preference. A first-year law student would have a field day with that one as a freedom-of-speech issue.

    Morgan
     
  14. cdconley

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    Less then 6% have voted no. But isn't that they way it goes in this country. Everything is based on the load mouths of the minority. If the majority had anything to say in this country every morning school would be started with a prayer, boy scouts would still be allowed to hold meetings on public school grounds, protestors at funerals of fallen heroes would be arrested, teachers would still be allowed to spank in their classrooms allowing them to regain a little control, we’d be buying gas for 1.50 because we’d be using our massive resources in oil, shale and coal to make the darn stuff and we’d be telling environmentalist nuts to get lost instead of giving them a Nobel prize, we’d also have our borders closed and would shoot invaders that violated them, and our men and women that serve our country would not be sent to jail for split second reactions in the heat of combat and we surely wouldn’t be waiting to hear from the supreme court on weather we have a right to own firearms!
     
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    GMAG, I applaud your eloquence. J.Woolsey
     
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    Good Lord. We had an ROTC program in our high school. Of course that was before the pukes got such a loud voice.

    And any recruit home on leave from Basic had his pick of the ladies if he wore his uniform.

    Military was highly respected in the pre-puke era.

    HM
     
  17. BIGDON

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    Personally I think a mandatory 2 year military/government service for all those physically fit enough males. The only recruiting then would be what branch he serves in and the recruitment of optional service for females. Problem solved military is a part of everyone's life.

    Don
     
  18. gdbabin

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    Males only Don--Why not mandatory for females also?

    Guy Babin
     
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    Morgan ,It is obvious that you are a LIBERAL. If you can't tell the difference between a honorable veteran speaking and a Klan member then there is NO hope for you! Of course they would not let the ANY "hate" group speak. But not allowing the veterans to speak because some anti military scum bag group threatens them, shows both lack of moral back bone and consideration for the veterans who were invited. They don't have to let the demoonstrators on the property! If they show up on the school grounds they can have their soory butts arrested for trespassing! The problem is too many of today's schools are controled by limp wristed socialist liberals! They bow at the alter of POLTICAL CORRECTNESS. Thank God I live in the south where at least for now our schools havren't been taken over by liberal trash! Veterans are often asked to speak, especially around Veteran's Day. I can show you MANY MANY schools who would be PROUD to have the vets speak. Too bad this particular school district isn't that way!
     
  20. Rico46

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    Since the military is a viable vocation, I see nothing wrong with military recruiters on campus speaking & recruiting young people. There are many high school graduates that leave high school with good intentions of finding a job and or going to college. For some that works out but not for everyone! The military can provide an avenue of life long training and chance to grow up. They provide an opportunity to travel. Their pay and benefits are first class and you can always go to college later if you choose.

    I was recruited off my high school campus on a delayed entry program. I served four honorable years. I was a crew chief on a 20 million dollar helicopter, at 20 years of age. Not many civilian employers give a twenty year old that type of responsibility! When I left the Marine Corp the G.I. Bill paid both my undergraduate and graduate degrees. As a mediocre "C" student in high school the military gave me a chance to grow up and become the "A" student I was in college.

    Rick Brohmer
     
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