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Shoot payouts to low I'm going fishing!!!!!

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Trap2, May 7, 2007.

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  1. Trap2

    Trap2 Well-Known Member

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    Ted...... You are absolutely right. You can make a lot more money shooting the WRETA events there in Oregon, as well as shooting the backers and fun shoots, like Ricks "Icicle Shoot" in Hood River. I'm seeing more and more shooters going the backer circuit these days. They are more fun to shoot, cost less to participate in, and pay back a lot better. While my first love is registered shooting, I will go to a big paying backer instead if I know it's coming up. I think shooting a 60 or 100 bird backer is one of the most enjoyable things I have ever done when it comes to shooting trap..Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  2. JBrooks

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    If you want to make money, get a job. If you want to have fun, shoot trap.
     
  3. Dove Commander

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    You want to make money, shoot live pigeons. (I'm not saying I made money) Of course entry fees are just a tad bit higher, and practice is $7 a bird, but you said you wanted to make money shooting.
     
  4. guncase

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    GOOD, if you are in it for the money,, we don't need you!!! go fish!!
     
  5. $$$SHTR

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    gunsmoke100, Just who are you speaking for when you say, "we". The man has given 3 Remington 870's to youth groups here on TS.Com. And he even paid the postage. He donated $1000 worth of shotshells for the local club for trophies. Just what have you done to help the sport?? Besides make smart-ass remarks about people you don't even know?? Ted is not the only one frustrated with how things are going. There is a 1 day shoot locally and if you won all three events, you would still lose $53.00 (without options). Even the options are split too many ways or limit the number of times you can win. There is talk of making reductions mandatory or starting everyone from shorter yardage each year to make the sport more competitive. The only way this sport will ever be more competitive is to reward the winners and not try to give everyone who shoots low 90's money or trophies.

    Tomas
     
  6. ljutic73

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    I haven't played a purse for dog's years...I got into this game for the fun of it...still doin' it for the same reason.....the odd day I pick up some added money and that is real bonus.
     
  7. bgf

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    An old trapper told me recently that you use to shoot for a $15,000 purse with a $150 trap gun...now it's a $15,000 trap gun shooting for a $150 purse.

    Go figer...
     
  8. Lyle

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    I read this site quite a bit. I would venture to say that the majority of the posters on this site are "anti" options, at least for themselves. I have read many times, "you are just feeding the big dogs." I also read about our sport in the decline and how do we get it back. A while back there was a huge post I believe started by the Las Vegas Gun club owner/operator about making the target harder and bringing more money into the game. Lots of dissenting opinions on that one.

    Someone on this thread mentioned the Vernal shoot having 68,000 in the Calcutta last year. I was not present at that shoot but I did hear about the money at the shoot. I called the Vernal gun club nearly a month ago to try and get in to this shoot and they were FULL. That is, full of folks who paid their entries in advance! Perhaps there is something to be learned by this. That there are a number of shooters who will come if the dollar is there. I have since gotten in into the shoot due to someone cancellng and am looking forward to it.

    Ted, congratulations on the 100!
    Denny,
    Congratulations on the first post that I have read of yours where you WERE NOT trying to be a smart ass.


    Lyle
     
  9. jakearoo

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    Who is the All American running the Vernal club please? Jake
     
  10. BIGDON

    BIGDON Well-Known Member

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    I have a job to earn money and I shoot trap to spend it.

    Why when people leave do they feel compelled to tell everyone??
    Don't look for some weak excuse, just go quietly.
    Do you want people to beg you to stay?

    Denny you are correct and I don't think you are being a SA. Sounds like you stepped on somebody's toes when you questioned their hero or they think you did.

    Maybe there are better shooters, better equipment, better scores and lower payouts.

    Don
     
  11. oleolliedawg

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    The answer is probably quite simple. The back yardage shooters are inadaquately handicapped and will win the majority of todays events. Only a fool gambles away his grocery money every weekend and knowledgable shooters no longer will. People will always gamble if they "think" they can win-as evidenced by the proliferation of casino building throughout the states.

    Anyone who thinks the back yardage shooter doesn't have a clear advantage over the rest of the field should review the results of the Southern Grand as an example!!
     
  12. KelleyPLK

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    GO TO BIGGER SHOOTS PLAY ALL THE MONEY SHOOTER BETTER THAN THE OTHERS YOU'LL WIN PRETTY WELL !



    PAT KELLEY
     
  13. ronbo142

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    Last time I checked we are not professionals but amatures.....

    Ronbo
     
  14. superxjeff

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    I never got to see the "Hey days" of trap shooting. I have seen them through the eyes of Enos Handy who is Daro Handys father. Enos has told me of the prizes and the money. I guess it was common for guys to play cards for money, pitch quarters, and other types of gambling when they were not on the line shooting. Where are these people today? I don't know where they are but I do know that with rare exception it no longer exsists. Could it be the mentality of the greatest generation? Could it be the mentality of the "now" genaration? Is it just the fact that at most shoots you can narrow it to within 4 or 5 shooters who will be doing the most damage? I don't know. Trapshooting is a social event and to view it any other way is foolhardy except for the top 1% of shooters. Why would anybody want to see if they could beat Kay, or Leo, or Ray or Ricky when they know full well that in order to win the Giants will need to have a bad day and the regular shooters a good day? Because it's fun? Averages do not lie and the regular shooter will have to shoot above his head to beat the big boys and win the money. Weekend shoots that the prizes were outboard motors, sides of beef,whole pigs ETC are over. If we want to shoot for such prizes we need increased head count and increased target cost. How many want to do this? Damn few and those damn few will be present at the shoots that cater to them like the shoot mentioned above with the 200.00 dollar option. The joe average shooter plays the Lewis and goes to the shoots that have the best food. That is the way it is in the west. I have very little time to attend shoots let alone practice anymore and I know that my choice is based on how many guys I have met over the years will be there. Jeff
     
  15. oleolliedawg

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    Jeff, in Trapshootings' hayday shooters were not afraid to play the money and the top 100 Handicap averages were not all 27 yarders. Trust me, the casinos are still doing well and people still gamble more than ever.

    870aa, I just returned from a wonderful morning of Trout fishing and I'll still make it to the gun club for an evening of practice!!
     
  16. superxjeff

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    That is true oleolliedawg but for the most part the top averages handicaps were about 94%. some a little higher. In the 70's and even in the 80's a pile of money could be won with a 97 in handicap. That is no longer the case. Look at the averages of the Big dogs.. Always were high but now they are higher then ever. Voice pulls have enabled the average shooter to shoot far better then he did in the past but the big boys were helped as well. I was talking about gambling at the trap shoots not gambling in general. Maybe it was the mind set of those shooters??? Are todays shooters smarter then the shooters of yesterday? Something tells me no. I suspect that the average shooter today is a heck of a lot better off then the shooters in the 50's and 60's. Not willing to bet his skill against a meager payoff when he has a comfortable job and a good salary? Hear me... I am not pointing fingers at anybody .. Just trying to look at it from an empirical standpoint. At a recent Calcutta at a small shoot people went for what used to be the minimum for which you could buy yourself. That tells me that most people are in it for the fun. If you want bigger shoot turnout I suspect you will need to forget about the days of your and throw nice targets and serve a nice dinner. Let the few clubs that want to tailor to the big money shooters do so. Just My opinion Jeff
     
  17. oleolliedawg

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    Jeff, the law of averages will always prevail. As long as the winners tend to be 27 yarders who's averages are bunched up near the top, only the mentally challenged are foolish enough to play the ticket. You are watching the slow death of a formerly great game because "the powers that be" are afraid to make a few changes before it's too late.

    In the meantime I'll hit the local money shoots where people aren't afraid to play the money. Why I even picked up $80 and a free round for a 50 straight singles a few months ago. That's alot more than most 25's pay in handicap at a big shoot. Your right about one thing Jeff, I now spend my option money on a good meal at one of the restaurants!!
     
  18. Lyle

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    Drew,
    We've already separated the pro from the amatuer in the handicap money to some extent. Many shoots, as you know, have a Yardage Purse and the class purse which the guys you are talking about cannot get at.

    The $5,000 is far too low unless you are talking net.
     
  19. southpark

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    First, I'm not an "old tyme trapshooter."

    Second, I don't have all the answers.

    Still, here are my thoughts which may not be suitable for younger audiences.

    I agree the sport could use a thinning of the ranks, but not guys like Ted.

    There are, in my opinion, too many pussies in the ATA (sorry Ted, don't know much about PITA shoots).

    It probably is an old generation/new generation divide and too many old farts are buying into the new generation's bullshit.

    Old generation would lose 5,000 marines in one day taking a beach and say, "okay boys, let's grit our teeth and kick some mother F-ing arse."

    New generation says "oh my, we've lost 3,000 soldiers in four years taking and holding a country with the fourth largest military in the world, maybe we should sue for peace."

    Old generation would throw 3-hole targets and would see a light at the end of the tunnel because even the best missed some.

    New generation insists on 2-hole targets so their self-esteem doesn't get hurt and then whines about needing a perfect score and 50 straight in a shootoff to win.

    Old generation lost some money playing the options and said "shit brother, I need to practice more and ask Frank Little for some advice."

    New generation says "it's not that I'm a bad shot and don't practice, it's just that the other guys have it too easy -- why can't we make them shoot from the parking lot -- sigh, maybe I need to buy a new gun."

    Old generation said "I believe in God, country, and myself, and will work at my game and fight to make myself the best shooter I can be and am willing to put my money where my mouth is and risk $20 to win enough to take a vacation."

    New generation says "damn, I lost $20 in the office football pool and $500 in Vegas because the reels didn't spin my way ... now those guys who bet on their own skills shooting trap are just reckless boys, not a real man like me."

    Old generation said "fellas, let's step up and spend what we need to spend to make a great clubhouse and manicured grounds, after all, we work hard and have earned this pleasure."

    New generation says "Mable, we need to sell our $200,000 RV and my $14,000 Perazzi because these jackasses in the ATA want to charge $20 extra a year to fund a new home for the Grand American -- well I'm not payin I tell ya, I'm just not!"

    Old generation said "trap is an expensive sport, work hard so you too can enjoy playing with the elite."

    New generation says "the Democrats are right, why do those folks who are smart and work hard get to keep so much of their money? We should take it from them and give it to ourselves. It makes me sick to see all these rich folks who aren't sensitive to us poor shooters."

    Old generation said "there is no sin in being better than someone else; play fair and enjoy the glory of crushing your enemies."

    New generation says "why does trap have to be so competitive, why can't we just shoot for fun and shoot against ourselves -- keeping score just hurts feelings."

    What a bunch of pussies. Grow some nuts you freaking commie fairies!

    If you want a cheaper, non-competitive sport, don't shoot registered targets, either ATA or PITA, and stick to club and league shooting so we can get your pansy arses out of the way and attract some real men who still thrive on competition -- competing themselves, not watching someone else do it on television -- and are able and willing to pay their own way.

    These days, they're not called trapshooters, they're called golfers.
     
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