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  1. DFoster

    DFoster TS Member

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    Any one at the grand to post the winners of the shootouts?
  2. RickN

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    I was just adding up some attendence numbers for Grand Week. Every event was down from a year ago and the week averaged about 7% fewer than last year.
  3. mallard2

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    Case in point: It isn't about added money.
  4. likes-to-shoot

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    Don't you suppose the economy would have something to do with it?
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  6. recurvyarcher

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    Yes. From my perspective it has. I've been laid off, and trying to start a new business. I did not have the money to shoot all of the events this time. I only shot 6 of them. I know people who didn't get to come at all because they didn't have as much disposable income this year.
  7. BigM-Perazzi

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    that pretty much hits the nail on the head...
  8. blade819

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    I'm going to Sturgis next year.

    blade819
  9. dead on 4

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    Andy,
    you're not paying attention to what's going on beyond your zip code or you're in your own bubble or both. The economy is still tanked, inflation is still marching upward eating into disposable income, jobs that are available are at lower pay with fewer benefits than pre recession days. The economists are saying 2016 before any real uptake nationally and that's only if small businesses can dig their way out.

    Trapshooting is also facing a fairly high percentage of attrition due to an aging popluation who can't hoist a gun or afford the costs. Crap our government gave away almost ten billion dollars in road and bridge projects to the Chinese, jobs that should be putting Americans back to work.

    Our game is contracting and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

    Wake up! Please

    Surfer
  10. oleolliedawg

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    surfer, I hate to break your heart but casino revenues have exceded expectations in our area every year since opening. Many of those young kids are making far more income than we dreamed but still not shooting trap. Our local Sporting Clays course is jammed packed nearly every day with plenty of young shooters.

    One thing I'll agree on is the attrition issue and how it affects our game. We've created an old man's game and expect a few more trinkets to turn the corner.

    Not!!
  11. Codebrown

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    Maybe if there were MORE CATEGORIES that would help . . .

    I suppose since there are so many trophies for clubs to buy now, they'll soon have to switch to giving out ribbons like they did at field day in elementary school
  12. Setterman

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    Golf is hurting because fewer companies buy memberships for their execs. or sponser teams for leagues.

    Has nothing to do with trap.

    Why were most of the big shoots out west and Florida up in attendance? Cardinal?
  13. George MT.

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    Reality for me is that 1.Yes I feel the economy and the large # of people that are either unemployed or have take jobs that are only paying a considerable lower wage are not able to either support thier own hobbies such as trap ect. also they are making choices on what they can afford to sponsor/support thier children in various activities.2.In my business(I do music instrument retail,repairs,lessons and rentals we have to work harder than ever to earn our cutomers business,with the tougher times we are down a few employees so we are having to do the more or the same with less so while our state shoot was happening I was working/when the zones we happening I was working/Im not complaining here just stating some facts.3 The Grand is a dream tournament for me and I hope to go some day but being that I live out west it is a longer trip and thus more expensive to make thus while the Grand was happening Im working.Im a 29 year vet in my industry so me and my partners tend to study our demographics here and it is going to be awhile befor things start to turn to the positive and lost jobs are regained.Sincerly George
  14. oleolliedawg

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    Sorry Surfer, you wiped out. The Buckeye Classic was up 486 entries, the Southern Grand was up significantly, PA was down only 2 entries for the entire week and the list goes on-mostly up. I supposed you're telling us the economy suddenly tanked within the last two months. Next you're gonna tell us shooters with $10,000 shotguns and $250,000 motor homes are financially unable to attend the Grand in Sparta.

    The economy may not be the greatest but it's likely Sparta might not be a favored destination!!
  15. AveragEd

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    Andy and I live in gun-friendly Pennsylvania where more registered trapshooters reside than any other state (the last I checked, anyway). Accordingly, it is easy for shooters from this area to think that the shooting sports aren't seeing a decline. But I receive a lot of reader mail and it comes from all over the country. From it, I can tell you that participation is down nationally and to the extent that some clay target-only clubs have closed.

    Certainly the economy is the largest negative influence. Gasoline at $3.50-plus per gallon sure doesn't help. Component and shell prices are mind-boggling for someone like me who stocked up years ago and hasn't had to buy any until recently. My local gun shop owner even called me this week almost giddy with the news that his last load of shot came in at a price where he can sell it for a quarter per bag less than his last load.

    And then there's Sparta. Yes, I'm from Pennsylvania and all that but I really don't think Sparta will ever have the appeal that Vandalia enjoyed. Remember walking across US40 to your choice of restaurants? Remember the Buckhorn Tavern and their killer steaks? Remember all the motels 10 or 15 minutes away? Heck, remember the TREES? Even with politics removed from consideration, the ATA violated one of the cardinal rules of business - they moved their biggest event farther away from the largest group of their customers. Yes, I know all about them having no other options but still...

    Before anyone thinks I loved to shoot at Vandalia, be advised that I usually shot poorly there. I managed a 100 in singles just once at Vandalia and have to own up to an 85 I broke in the first event of the 100th Grand on those rubber Remington targets. It wasn't my favorite place to shoot by a long shot but the atmosphere was second to none.

    Maybe in my grandchildrens' lifetimes, Sparta will gain popularity among more than just the shooters close to it. I hope so but for now, all we can do is try to put people in political office that won't be in over their heads as soon as they are sworn in so our economy has a chance of recovering sooner.

    Ed
  16. John Thompson

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    Just arrived home from Sparta; yes the shoot was down, again. I received my 45 year attendance ribbon. I believe their is more than 1 reason that The Grand no longer has the 800-1000 squad attendance we once enjoyed. External influences, the economy is certainly in the tank, the unemployment figures are published mainly by the liberal media and do not reflect under employment or those that have either quit looking or went on early retirement. I bought deisel fuel for $4.13 a gallon while near Sparta. Don't think that doesn't have an effect, back when gas went from .35 a gallon to .70 attendance dropped over 15% at The Grand that year.

    The camping at Vandalia was less than $200 for the 2 weeks. My 5 year lease at Sparta was $300 a year. Last 2 years 1 week at Sparta was $480. I shot several state shoots this year for $30. a 100 plus fees. The Grand was $33. plus fees. I paid to pre squad, I requested bank preference first, I shot 2 events out of 15 on the requested bank area. Vendor space has seen more vacant space every year, the vendors I speak with tell me it is just too expensive for the amount of money they take in. I understand that the Martin family will no longer be donating funds. It seems they are disappointed that others with the wearwithall to match their generosity have not stepped forward. I observed that the current tournament management could not handle this event if we were to enjoy the crowds of 800-1000 squads of the past.

    We need an executive commitee that realizes this sport grew to it's previous stature with a working class membership. I do not believe our EC is in touch with this segment of our society. Most of these individuals are not having to make financial choices to be able to shoot. One of the EC asked me last year, "How did you shoot today?" on preliminary Sunday, my reply, "I didn't shoot, you guys raised the camping fees and I can only afford so much".


    I have purchased all my new shells from Gamiel, not Walmart. I am sure that the shell house profit in Vandalia netted more to the ATA than what licensing fees are derived from Gamiel. I think The ATA needs to sell shells again.

    2 yards off is not the answer. The ATA needs to get the working shooter back!
  17. BrowningGuy

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    Started shooting in 2008 and fell in love, went to the grand in 08 by myself and had a blast. In 2009 my son and family came alone and Tony II just started shooting, and we had a blast. We havent missed a year since, and hope we dont. Never went to Vandalia but have heard very good and bad, i guess its up to the person, but Sparta is our Grand. Greast time for shooting and family time. Lasy year my son won first day caps and this year came in 2nd on last day, know that is a Grand expericance, we had to cut back on shooting this year so we could shoot in whole Grand but to be able to compete with my son and have a very good Grand its worth everything to shoot good at the biggest trap shoot and be able to have aleast on good day to compete with the best. We love the Grand and the Grand expericance. The Tony Kirk family

    Go Sparta
  18. zinger

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    it's just a shame they don't have anyone to mow the weeds! For a world class facility, it was a disgrace.
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    me to blade819
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    Zinger - you just got the job!


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    it's just a shame they don't have anyone to mow the weeds! For a world class facility, it was a disgrace.
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