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Shipping Gun To California

Discussion in 'For Sale- Members only' started by dave-320c, Aug 13, 2009.

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  1. dave-320c

    dave-320c Well-Known Member

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    California will verify that your FFL is legit.
    Once certified, your FFL ships to the buyer's FFL.
    No big deal; but California is a big market.
    Dave
     
  2. Trap2

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    EE is absolutely right! Selling and shipping a gun to California is no big deal. Most sellers just don't understand the laws. Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  3. Bushmaster1313

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    I had an FFL from one of the free states give me a hard time accepting a gun from me as non-FFL.

    I had spoken to one of the workers at the store who said it would be okay.

    After the gun arrived and my buyer was in the store I got a call from an irate store owner who wanted to know why I would send a gun to his store if I was not an FFL.

    After I told him that I shipped it to him because I had a copy of his FFL sent to me by someone at his store he calmed down, but he said he never wanted it to happen again.

    Not sure what the problem was, but now I know to make double sure the gun will be accepted by the FFL before shipping.

    Lou
     
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    sx1skeet, you are way off base. Why don't you get your ducks in a row before you voice an incorrect opinion.

    Richard, just ship the gun to your buyers FFL yourself. Nothing special needs to be done unless YOU are an FFL or you ship through a FFL! You didn't need to take it to an FFL on your end unless it is a handgun.
     
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    Just did this. "IF" you are not an FFL dealer, all California dealer needs is “A CLEAR COPY OF YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE" With out the I.D., they cannot transfer the gun. So Fax the dealer a good copy.
     
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    There have been 4 guns I would have purchased recently at the "buy it now" price but the no sales to Ca. was there. They all got $100 less.....their loss ! Only one was a FFL holder and the other 3 were uninformed.
     
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    Some day those that continue to support CA. on the idea that there is money there, will find they are supporting the demise of the rest of the states rights.

    Until you in CA grow some stones and pitch those like Peloshi...Feinstein....Boxer
    out on their asses, then maybe the rest of the country will help, ....until you do ,you can get your state back or move somewhere more favorable to your hobbies.
    You from CA act like YOUR problems we were caused by the rest of us.....WRONG.

    I fully support all in the firearms industry that are boycotting CA. If everyone cut CA off completely, something could be done, until YOU out there fix YOUR problem, you will not get much sympathy from the majority of us.

    We realize the damage YOUR politicians are causing the USA......Most of us are tired of CA's people and politicians influencing what we do. Take your complaint to the proper people... YOURSELF.
     
  8. Ted K.

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    221, you missed the point. If everyone boycotts gun sales to California, the California politicians win. And YOU run the risk that your state will follow California.

    You forget that gun owners are a minority. Certainly in California, gun owners can't "fix" the problem by themselves. And it could happen in your state if the anti-gun lobby is encouraged to start filling the ears of non-gun owners with stuff about how many murders could be avoided if gun sales were very tightly regulated.

    Think about it.

    Ted K.
     
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    Ted k.....Thats your opinion. Your laws will not change because some dealer or individual want's to take your money......There's plenty of gun buyers in the 47 other states here......All I hear is we have to do business with people who could not keep their politicians in line ..........Get them out, because if we support your situation then we will be giving them reason to move across the US.....The US is not for CA to be dictating anything.


    The Manufacturers are also boycotting your leos, cutting them off, Theres a lot at stake here and letting your situation migrate out of California will not happen if enough of an example can be made about it.

    There are a few Mfgr's that are aware that if we do business as usual with CA, that their movement will grow.

    Those of you that are caught in the middle are unfortunate BUT it's your problem not our's.... YOU in CA have to fight your own battles......

    Are you an NRA member??
     
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    221 -

    Yes, I am an NRA member. But why inject that issue into this debate? Are you a little uncomfortable with your argument? Even if I weren't a member, the fact remains that gun owners are a minority.

    But as long as you brought it up, are you aware that the NRA is doing all it can to oppose two measures in the California legislature restricting the rights of gun owners? And, though no fault of its own (except that gun owners are a minority), it is losing the battle?

    You are not helping. You are a part of the problem. And you should know better.

    People like to quote the Founding Fathers when talking about gun rights. How about this from Ben Franklin: "We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately."

    Think about it....

    Ted K.
     
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    Why the NRA,?...Because a lot bitch that do not want to support the only clout you have....The NRA.

    I agree that the entire US should have spoken out about CA's laws......But those in CA did what????.....BARRET will not sell in CA. and a lot of others.....That I support 110%

    You cannot continue to demand our help when you don't help yourselves. We in the midwest did not get any help on our CC Laws, our Castle Doctrine. We got out and did something.......until you easylife CA. sunshine guys get off your ass and try to help your selves. Blaming others seems to be your reaction anytime your state infringes on your rights.

    IF it is as bad to live there as I hear, I'd be moving.......Problem solved.
     
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    Easy life sunshine guys? Is that all you know of California? It's like saying the Midwest is a rust belt that time passed by. Is it time for everyone to move out of the Midwest? Problem solved, as you say.

    Blaming others? I don't blame anyone but Californians. But I'm not going to run away from the problem. Is that how you solve yours?

    Help from the likes of you? No thanks. I'm just asking that you don't make it worse by playing into the CA Democrats' hands by refusing to sell to your fellow Californian trap shooters. If there's an extra hoop to jump through (and it's a very small one, if you ever look into it), just charge us for your trouble. Some people do that, and we pay it.

    Time to "smarten up", 221, instead of indulging your prejudices. The gun you save may be your own.

    Ted K.
     
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    I agree with TED K wholeheartedly on this! But TED, please don't get your shorts too wadded up trying to change the way MORONS think! Simply not worth the trouble!

    AndyH ;-)
     
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    Now that is funny Andy44 . You would like everyone to work together and flood California with guns . Then you call the people that can sell & send guns to California MORONS.

    Have a nice day in the land of fruit and nuts .

    ALF
     
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    Andy -

    Thanks for the support. And the advice. But how do I get my shorts unwadded? (Don't answer that.)

    Ted K.
     
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    "Now that is funny Andy44 . You would like everyone to work together and flood California with guns . Then you call the people that can sell & send guns to California MORONS.

    Have a nice day in the land of fruit and nuts .

    ALF "

    Sorry you misunderstood my post, but I was referring to those who WILL NOT sell to California shooters.

    AndyH ;-)
     
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    California prohibits the sale of guns that are legal in most other states.

    I, for one, do not want to get in trouble for sending a gun to California only to have someone decide that I had broken the law.

    The risk is too great.

    Lou
     
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    Now that is a legitimate concern, not only pertaining to California! Who knows what guns are allowed in what states? Only the buyer should be held liable for firearm legality, IMHO.

    AndyH ;-)
     
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    California needs to continue it's slow, retched death. It is the perfect petrie dish experiment for what socialism brings to any area that accepts it. California, with it's hundreds of miles of coastline, ocean plenty, verdant valleys, timbered mountains, desert playgrounds, has EVERYTHING going for it in terms of natural resources, yet it is a retched mess where opportunity no longer exists and people and businesses are leaving in droves. The only thing that will ever bring California back is when the entire system of overreaching laws and taxes collapses, leaving behind nothing of the old system or the people who created it, and forcing those who supported it to make a real living or perish, or drag their worthless carcasses somewhere else. I live here and I don't blame anyone for refusing to do business here. In fact I think those who refuse are doing California a favor. Why am I still here? Because I offered succor to a friend in need, and now my property is upside down. If it ever comes back I'm gone.
     
  20. tanda1

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    Abdy44;s post
    "Now that is a legitimate concern, not only pertaining to California! Who knows what guns are allowed in what states?" AndyH ;-)

    There is where the problem lies.

    ATF regs state:

    UNLAWFUL ACTS
    “It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver any firearm
    to any person in any State where the purchase or possession by such person of such firearm would be in violation of any State law or
    any published ordinance applicable at the place of sale, delivery or other disposition, unless the licensee knows or has reasonable
    cause to believe that the purchase or possession would not be in violation of such State law or such published ordinance.” [18 U.S.C. §
    922(b)(2)] See:, 26 U.S. v. Decker, 335 F.Supp. 1168,1171 (1970), affirmed, 446 F.2d 164 (8th Cir. 1971), and Service Arms Co., Inc.
    v. U.S., 463 F.Supp. 21 (W.D. Okla. 1978)

    From: ATF P 5300.5 State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms(2007 - 28th Edition)

    Seems as though it is the seller/transferor's responsibility to be well versed in the laws of the particular State and/or the local municipality.

    A lot to ask of a dealer up to 3000 miles away.
     
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