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  1. smsnyder

    smsnyder Well-Known Member

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    I Think She IS Pissed

    I don't think pissed really covers it!!!!
    Alan Simpson, the Senator from Wyoming calls senior citizens the Greediest Generation as he compared "Social Security " to a Milk Cow with 310 million teats.
    Here's a response in a letter from PATTY MYERS in Montana ... I think she is a little ticked off! She also tells it like it is!
    "Hey Alan, let's get a few things straight!!!!!
    1. As a career politician, you have been on the public dole (tit) for FIFTY YEARS.
    2. I have been paying Social Security taxes for 48 YEARS (since I was 15 years old. I am now 63).
    3. My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for decades until you political pukes decided to raid the account and give OUR money to a bunch of zero losers in return for votes, thus bankrupting the system and turning Social Security into a Ponzi scheme that would make Bernie Madoff proud.
    4. Recently, just like Lucy & Charlie Brown, you and "your ilk" pulled the proverbial football away
    from millions of American seniors nearing retirement and moved the goalposts for full retirement from age 65 to age, 67. NOW, you and your "shill commission" are proposing to move the goalposts YET AGAIN.
    5. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying into Medicare from Day One, and now "you morons" propose to change the rules of the game. Why? Because "you idiots" mismanaged other parts of the economy to such an extent that you need to steal our money from Medicare to pay the bills.
    6. I, and millions of other Americans, have been paying income taxes our entire lives, and now you propose to increase our taxes yet again. Why? Because you "incompetent bastards" spent our money so profligately that you just kept on spending even after you ran out of money. Now, you come to the American taxpayers and say you need more to pay off YOUR debt.
    To add insult to injury, you label us "greedy" for calling "bullshit" to your incompetence. Well, Captain Bullshit, I have a few questions for YOU:
    1. How much money have you earned from the American taxpayers during your pathetic 50-year political career?
    2. At what age did you retire from your pathetic political career, and how much are you receiving in annual retirement benefits from the American taxpayers?
    3. How much do you pay for YOUR government provided health insurance?
    4. What cuts in YOUR retirement and healthcare benefits are you proposing in your disgusting deficit reduction proposal, or as usual, have you exempted yourself and your political cronies?
    It is you, Captain Bullshit, and your political co-conspirators called Congress who are the "greedy" ones. It is you and your fellow nutcase thieves who have bankrupted America and stolen the American dream from millions of loyal, patriotic taxpayers.
    And for what? Votes and your job and retirement security at our expense, you lunk-headed, leech.
    That's right, sir. You and yours have bankrupted America for the sole purpose of advancing your pathetic, political careers. You know it, we know it, and you know that we know it.
    And you can take that to the bank, you miserable son of a bitch. NO, I did not stutter.
    EVERYONE!!!
    If you like the way things are in America delete this.
    If you agree with what a Montana citizen, Patty Myers, says, please PASS IT ON!!!!
    P.S. And stop calling Social Security benefits "entitlements". WHAT AN INSULT!!!!
    I have been paying in to the SS system for 45 years “It's my money”-give it back to me the way the system was designed and stop patting yourself on the back like you are being generous by doling out these monthly checks!
     
  2. crusha

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    "It's not an entitlement!"


    "I paid into it!"


    "I had no choice - the Gubmint forced me to!"


    "bla bla bla..."
     
  3. Setterman

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    Social Security is a ponzi scheme nearing it's end. When you add the cost of Medicare/Medicade......

    Remember when everyone bitched when Bush wanted individual retirement accounts for everyone? My 80 year old parents went bizerk. They didn't want anyone mess'n with "the system".

    4 cataracts, 3 knee jobs, and 3 back operations later and they still think there is plenty of money in "the system".
     
  4. crusha

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    That's right, Setterman..."It woulda been fine if the politicians didn't RAID the money out of it!"


    In reality, most will get more out of the combined system than they ever paid in, but are still convinced it's "NOT AN ENTITLEMENT!" and the "ONLY" thing wrong with it is that "POLITICIANS MESSED WITH IT!" As if it was all just fine until 1965 / 1977 / (fill in the blank with whatever year your most-hated President was in office).


    Anything to avoid admitting the truth, which is that it's a Ponzi scheme, and was never sustainable.


    We've seen the enemy, and he looks a lot like "us."


    Flame away, teat-suckers...
     
  5. chuckie68

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    The system worked fine until LBJ moved the money from the SSA, to the "General Fund" in 1963 or 64. Setterman, it was sustainable until then. I know it's tough but if you went back to 1963 dollars and calculated the future worth of the dollars on "deposit" with the system, we would all be rolling in money. The reason we are not is because the Democrats raided the system. LBJ's cash cow to create the "great society".

    Either some of you guys aren't old enough to remember or you blow a lot of steam before you put any thought into your statements (I suspect the latter is true) and probably don't have a lot of business sense or education. Had the SSA been allowed to administer the program the way it was supposed to be run everyone would probably been able to collect at about twice the current pay out.

    Buzzy hit the nail on the head! The politicians messed with it. Seems everything that the politicians touch turns to "Shit" ----Railroads, Trucking, You name it. Wait a few years and see what the medical industry is gonna be like. It won't matter what the medicare/medicaid costs are, after 2017 when it becomes ILLEGAL for a Doctor to be in private practice. Just wait!!

    Chuck
     
  6. fast gun

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    I thought Truman moved the money
     
  7. Bisi

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    The reality is the system is broke, holding your breath and moaning about it ain't going to change that fact. We're out of money people! I don't know what the solution is but I suspect it will be means testing.

    Wanna blame somebody then we should start to blame ourselves. Like Setterman said Bush tried to direct a lousy 1.5% into private accounts, and the public had a cow. We not only told him no, but hell no. In no way do we want to be responible for investing even that small amount on our own. You take care of it Mr. Government worker, we trust you. Imagine telling somebody you don't even want your own money. We trusted government instead of ourselves and now we wonder why we're screwed.

    Fool me once shame on you, fool be twice shame on me. How many times have we been fooled????????
     
  8. yakimaman

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    Buzzgun - don't know how old you are but for those of us who paid into this system for 30 years, tell me what choice I had. Could I have opted out of SS or Medicare? No. Could I have found better plans? Yes - Am I entitled to a return on the investment I was forced to make in this system? Yes.

    Where will your retirement dollars come from? What will you do for medical care once you reach your 60s? You got that all planned out? Make sure you decline all of it and pay for everything out of your own pocket. Don't want you "on the teat" so to speak.
     
  9. slide action

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    the SS fund is money that as paid into a "trust fund" for safe keeping! The government politicians raided it and let wothless IOUs in it's place! The other problem is it was given to many who never paid into t ie. illegal aliens, welfare bums who never worked etc. !!! SS is OUR money. IT IS NOT the governments money and IT IS NOT an intitlement!!!!
     
  10. fast gun

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    Patty myers for President.The politicans can have my ssi If they want to give me what they retire on and their insurance. They have flushed billion upon billions of dollars on vacations pet progects parties hookers and what ever else How about they give up 15% of their income and benefits They dont want to give up anything so they want to rob the people thap supported them and the country before them What a bunch of ass clowns
     
  11. grunt

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    How about the S.S Money we pay to people that haven't payed into the system. They come over from other country's and are told how to apply for the benefit. I'm retired and I cant get full benefit because I have a military pension.
     
  12. Papineau

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    I was with her until she wrote that it's HER money. At best, half of it was Her money. Employers were/are required to pay slightly more than half, or put another way whatever your paycheck showed for FICA your employer was kicking (roughly) a matching amount. That was then, now the EmployeE is "under witheld" so the EmployeR is contributing considerably more than a matching amount.

    Ponzi scheme sounds about right.

    Oh and lest I forget, when I was young along about July my paycheck suddenly got bigger. No, it wasn't a raise. I satisfied my obligation to the Social Security Administration. Back then the threshold was low, about $6,000 - a kid with a decent job made about $10,000. Now the threshold is high, up around $150,000. Do all calculations you want it won't change the fact that SS was swimming in money once. That was until the politicians figured out how to buy influence, with OPM of course.
     
  13. fast gun

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    Grunt I agree you should get both you didnt get a reduced rate when you served why should you get less now ( Thanks for your service ) The system is definatly screwed up I wish I knew how to fix it
     
  14. yakimaman

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    Grunt is full of crap - I'm a retired GI (23 years) and it has absolutely no effect on my SS - I draw full amount + my GI retirement. No reduction of either.
     
  15. Ahab

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    Best way to fix the problem :

    1. Kick out all the ones who have never paid into the SS and Medicare system.

    2. Get rid of the retirement and medical system for civil servants and legislators.

    3. Enroll the civil service and legislators into SS and Medicare ONLY!

    Bet it would get fixed very quickly!
     
  16. Snowjet

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    Yakimaman, is your retirement 100% of what you made the last couple years of your service time. I've been told, that a senator or representative serves one term they get 100% pay plus full medical. Thats just not right!
     
  17. yakimaman

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    don't know what politicians get - my retirement was based on 2.5% of base pay per year of service (20 year minimum). Look at the link above for the FACTS on congressional retirement.
     
  18. John Galt

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    Nobody ever paid into SS, it was always funded by a tax. If it really were an investment, then how is it that the first people who received payments never paid a dime into it? That's right, it was always funded by the people currently working. The money you and I "paid into it" was used to pay current beneficiaries and is long gone. There is no lock box and never was. It's not even a Ponzi scheme since the people who got the best deal were the ones who paid no FICA tax at all.

    Social Security is funded with the FICA tax which most of us have paid for many years. It stands for "Federal Insurance Contribution Act", which means that the government considers the program insurance: survivor's insurance, disability insurance and retirement insurance. What we paid into the system could best be compared to insurance premiums although that analogy isn't completely accurate. A better analogy is that we threw the money into a rathole.

    All this means is that SS is not and was never an investment. What it really is is a government entitlement- like it or not. None of us has any statutory right to collect any money from it and the government can change it up any way they desire and even cancel it at any time. Welcome to socialism comrades.

    Actually, the problems with SS can be fixed rather easily, but not painlessly. Not so with Medicare, it's hopeless in the long run.
     
  19. Setterman

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    Rick, that means nothing if it's under funded. When it's gone , it's gone.

    Ahab's plan makes more sense, and I hear this crap all the time that the US owes me this or that because we were the great society. Sorry, but you didn't "earn it". You were at the front of the great society ponzi scheme.
     
  20. Traders

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    John Galt--For the first time that I can remember, I agree with some of your post. My comments in quotes.

    1. SS is insurance. It is not an investment. "And a very safe insurance policy at that. Since the SS money is invested in US government bonds and for all practical purposes, the US government has never defaulted, I can't think of anything safer. If you don't like the idea of investing in US government bonds, what would you suggest be done with the SS money collected?"

    2. There never was a "lockbox" "I have always assumed that nobody expected the SS collected money to be kept in the form of cash. No only would that be imprudent, no interest would be earned. Any financial advisor doing that with a clients money would be open to suit."

    3. Yes, our elected officials can change the system at will. Since SS is not part of the Constitution, that's how a Democracy works. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, Democracy is a terrible way to run a government, it's just better than all the others."

    John, if you decide to answer without a personal attack, I really am interested in what you believe should be done with the SS collected money.
     
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