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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Trapshooter24/7, May 22, 2008.

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  1. Trapshooter24/7

    Trapshooter24/7 TS Member

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    I was just wondering what type of shells that all yall use? How do you like the diana shells?
    Thanks
     
  2. ChairborneRanger

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    Diana's are superb-----just as good as, if not better than, the likes of Estate, Gun Club, Top Gun, etc.
     
  3. jimbotrap

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    They do have a slightly larger recoil than most others. Other than that just like all shells. Point them in the right direction and they will do as required. - Jim
     
  4. Big Al 29

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    Kemen are good econo shells too.
     
  5. phirel

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    How do most shooters judge different shells? Do most compare the actual size, uniformity and hardness of the shot in the shells? How many test 10 shells in a pressure gun? Do most shooters carefully analyze 10 patterns shot by different shells? How many shooters know the standard deviation around the average velocity of there shells?

    Or, do most shooters just pull the trigger and if the shell goes bang, it is good.

    Pat Ireland
     
  6. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    Pat,

    if it will break 100 straights,doesn't rip my shoulder off, it's good.

    Jim C




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  7. hmb

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    Pat,

    Put 25 in your vest pocket and shoot a round of trap. By the end of the round you should know if they are good. In the current economic conditions you shouldn't be wasting ammo on the patterning board. HMB
     
  8. Jawhawker

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    Pat, how many would even consider waisting ten shells via cutting them open to inspect the shot? If they did, how many would even be able to judge the quality and by what method would they have? How many people do you know that own a pressure gun? Again your asking to waist 10 good shells by patterning not to mention the time involved and being able to evaluate the patterns if they were done. And yet again you ask to waist 10 more good shells to find the answer to deviation! Thats a minimum of 40 shells for this testing....

    Do you know the answer to each of the questions you've asked concerning your own shells?

    Finally, your question at the end, yes.
     
  9. duckeye

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    I will admit I have never taken any shells apart to check the shot but I do know that you cannot judge anything by one shot on a pattern board...... One shot will not get the job done.....It has been my experience{if that means anything} that each gun and each barrel will give better patterns with different size shot..... My beretta top single will give the best consistant patterns with 7 1/2 shot {10 shots} and the bottom of the o/u will give best with 8 shot and the top it does not seem to matter which shot is best.... I have switched to 7 1/2 shot except for the first shot in doubles which I use 1 oz of # 8 shot......everything else is strictle 7 1/2....also I am grateful to Pat for suggesting to use green dot for handicap reloads.... as far as I am concerned it is as good as the factory can load..... Load some green dot for handicap and pattern about 10 or so and check your patterns and I think you will be pleasantly surprised as I was.

    Duckeye
     
  10. JerryP

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    duckeye, How do you determine "best consistant patterns" and what is the pattern percentage difference between 71/2 and 8 in your barrels?
     
  11. panthers314

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    PAt..........you have them thinking again....I pulled trigger and pick up head to SEE..........if it works
     
  12. phirel

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    I have done the testing I mentioned above on a few brands of shells. But, my point was that so many believe a certain shell is very good without any real evidence to support the claim.

    Pat Ireland
     
  13. Jawhawker

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    Pat, your absolutely correct. In my running about the country last year and shooting what I could get alot of the time (atleast for 16's) I was able to obtain quite abit of sampling. One brand that was extremely popular near where I lived I absolutely refuse to shoot because of lack of quality.

    Bring your info to the Grand and I will do the same. Also don't forget the red dot-green dot challenge as I have evaded you long enough.LOL
     
  14. phirel

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    Martin- Trying to evaluate discount shells can get very complicated. In some brands imported from Spain, the size of shot and velocity printed on the box are not related to the size of shot and velocity produced by the shells in the box. It becomes difficult to compare shells when you really do not know what is in them.

    I can not evaluate the quality of shells by shooting them on the line. This introduces two independent variables. The quality of the shells and the quality of my shooting. My score will be higher shooting poor quality shells and shooting with proper technique than shooting good shells poorly. I have done both.

    Pat Ireland
     
  15. phirel

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    Martin- Trying to evaluate discount shells can get very complicated. In some brands imported from Spain, the size of shot and velocity printed on the box are not related to the size of shot and velocity produced by the shells in the box. It becomes difficult to compare shells when you really do not know what is in them.

    I can not evaluate the quality of shells by shooting them on the line. This introduces two independent variables. The quality of the shells and the quality of my shooting. My score will be higher shooting poor quality shells and shooting with proper technique than shooting good shells poorly. I have done both.

    Pat Ireland
     
  16. maclellan1911

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    My simple method. I track my scores and ammo used. My lowest go hand in hand with Rem gun clubs, but I shoot them more than anyother. BUT kbowing that I may walk up to the line thinking THIS AMMO SUCKS?????
     
  17. Jawhawker

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    Pat, one method I was hoping for concerning you was the standard deviation in velocity. While not being able to compare in a scientific sense your comments of comparison, one can still evaluate quality of shot, consistency of powder drops, and velocity. Shot in size was not to far off in some and would range dramatically in size within the same load in others. But we've seen this with what we are able to purchase depending on brand and run.
     
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