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Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs

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  1. jjv1234

    jjv1234 Member

    May 9, 2008
    I know this is kind of long and I cannot (and will not spend the time) to verify the validity of the story as the message is the same whether true or not. This is one of my favorites and in the last hours of this upcoming election holds as true as ever......

    Subject: Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs

    In brief, Jill Edwards, a junior math major at the University of Washington,
    and a member of the UW student senate, opposed a memorial to UW grad "Pappy"
    Boyington. Boyington was a U.S. Marine aviator who earned the Medal of Honor
    in World War II. Edwards said that she didn't think it was appropriate to
    honor a person who killed other people. She also said that a member of the
    Marine Corps was NOT an example of the sort of person the University of
    Washington wanted to produce.

    What follows is a response from General Dula to the University of Washington
    student senate leader.

    To: Edwards, Jill (student, UW)

    Subject: Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

    Miss Edwards, I read of your 'student activity' regarding the proposed
    memorial to Col Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor winner. I suspect
    you will receive a bellyful of angry e-mails from conservative folks like
    me. You may be too young to appreciate fully the sacrifices of generations
    of servicemen and servicewomen on whose shoulders you and your fellow
    students stand. I forgive you for the untutored ways of youth and your

    It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There's no dishonor in being a
    sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are. Please take a couple
    of minutes to read the following. And be grateful for the thousands -
    -millions - - of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to express
    even bad ideas.

    Brett Dula
    Sheepdog, Retired


    On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

    By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."

    Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so
    because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things
    that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that
    may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as
    always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending?
    What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in
    a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

    One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:

    "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle,
    productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is
    true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the
    aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that
    the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some
    estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every
    year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of
    violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that
    the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in
    a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are
    committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is
    considerably less than two million.

    Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We
    may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still
    remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who
    are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme
    provocation. They are sheep.

    I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty,
    blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into
    something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell.
    Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and
    someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.?
    For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

    "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed
    on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who
    will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil
    men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget
    that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in

    "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to
    protect the flock and confront the wolf."

    If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive
    citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for
    your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf.
    But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your
    fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who
    is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness,
    into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

    Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves,
    and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes
    them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world.
    They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire
    extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their
    kids' schools.

    But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer
    in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be
    killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's
    only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone
    coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the
    path of denial.

    The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf.
    He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that
    the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep
    dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and
    removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a
    representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

    Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there
    are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to
    go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in
    camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the
    sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

    Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide
    behind one lonely sheepdog.

    The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high
    school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had
    the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had
    nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT
    teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically
    peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs
    feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

    Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on
    the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently
    about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how
    many times you heard the word hero?

    Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it
    is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny
    critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the
    breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a
    righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle.
    The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound
    of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

    Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend
    the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the
    attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in
    America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs,
    the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those
    planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly
    transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into
    warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

    There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he
    does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to
    survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the
    population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals
    convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious,
    predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement
    officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by
    body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They
    chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of
    the herd that is least able to protect itself.

    Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically
    primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose
    which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans
    are choosing to become sheepdogs.

    Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored
    in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on
    Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an
    operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the
    other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his
    phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a
    signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one
    hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business
    people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the
    wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

    There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of
    evil men. - Edmund Burke

    Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police
    officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep,
    are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They
    didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can
    be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

    If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you
    must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved
    ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If
    you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt
    you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you
    want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a
    conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare
    yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes
    knocking at the door.

    For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well
    concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters
    tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of
    religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your
    congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual
    in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your
    loved ones.

    I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break,
    one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other
    cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why
    he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was
    at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a
    mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning
    down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved
    every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot,
    and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die.
    That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it
    would be to live with yourself after that?"

    Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was
    carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably
    scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for
    "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were
    defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids'
    school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic
    accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

    Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their
    response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks
    himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if
    your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly
    because you were unprepared for that day?"

    It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically
    destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is
    counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and
    horror when the wolf shows up.

    Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you
    are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train.
    Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills
    you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are
    psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your
    moment of truth.

    Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book,
    which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our
    current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an
    insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by
    saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all
    the more unsettling."

    Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small
    print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some

    And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his
    life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior
    who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without
    that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not
    come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down
    time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside
    without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...


    This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It
    is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a
    continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other
    end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the
    other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in
    America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a
    few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors
    started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up
    that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you
    and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your
    moment of truth.
  2. dave-320c

    dave-320c Well-Known Member

    Jul 26, 2007
  3. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    Don't know or care who the author is/was...but this is one of the most succint posts/essays that I have seen. It is too bad there are more sheep and wolves than there are sheepdogs....hopefully that will change.
  4. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Deplorable Bitter Clinger in Liberal La La Land
    So.... where do armed citizens fit into this scenario?<br>
    "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote!"
  5. recurvyarcher

    recurvyarcher Well-Known Member

    Apr 26, 2006
    That was an excellent article.

    UW is probably the second most liberal university in America, aside from Berkely. I've been to both campuses.
  6. jjv1234

    jjv1234 Member

    May 9, 2008
    I believe that intent of being armed would dictate the category in which they fall--sheepdog = capacity for violence with desire to protect and wolf = capacity for violence with desire to do harm--why is that any different if they are a civilian?
  7. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    Warrior mentality does not require a uniform. If evil comes after my family, there will be no question what capacity I will immediately fall into. I hope the other sheep out there have a sheepdog to protect them or they will be eaten.
  8. Shooting Jack

    Shooting Jack Active Member

    Jul 29, 2006
    Blackshear, Georgia
    Very good article! Easy to figure where I fit. As I mentioned in an earlier post, everytime I strap on my pistol I feel an added responsibility. Even when I don't physically have a pistol on me there is always one close by. It has become part of life. It's not cool or fun to carry but it's good to know that you are ready if needed. A close friend of mine, a narc agent, in San Jose Ca was trying to get me to retire from the Air Force and join the force with him. I was given a battery of questions, one of which was, Can you shoot someone? To which I responded, Yes, but I don't want too. The thought of taking another persons life is hard to comprehend but sometimes you have to make the right choice. A lot of responsibility comes with a Gun..... Jackie B.
  9. Shooting Coach

    Shooting Coach Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2006
    Nashville Tn
    I train young athletes in Clay Target Shooting for a passion and the fulfillment of a promise made long ago, but am honored to train Sheepdogs for a profession. Armed Professionals AND Citizens are Sheepdogs.

    Armed folks are CITIZENS. Unarmed folks are SUBJECTS (subject to the will of the Govt').

    Get your credentials or permit. Get current, court defensible training with your sidearm. Get other alternative training such as Open Hand Defense or Confrontational Management. Do not forget, these are perishable skills which must be practiced regularly. Document your training and practice.

    Don't leave home without it. If you do, look in the mirror, and say "BAA!"
  10. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I guess I'm a sheepdog by nature, or is it natural gene selection?
  11. birdogs

    birdogs TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998

    A wolf is always a wolf. If it walks away it is because the odds are not in its favor. It will hunt elsewhere or waot until the odds change. It cannot eat grass, like a sheep so it has no choice but to wait until it can grab a sheep without risk to itself. Always be vigilant for the wolves are always waiting.
  12. KenC

    KenC Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Great read. Dave Grossman is the ultimate sheepdog.

    recurvey, I'll give you the fact that UDub is lefty/liberal but I think that CU Boulder is worse.
  13. recurvyarcher

    recurvyarcher Well-Known Member

    Apr 26, 2006
    Yeah, forgot about that one. I haven't been there since 1989...
  14. bigclown

    bigclown TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    This reminds me of a great line in the movie "The Magnificent Seven". The bandit who plundered the village - (Eli Wallach played the part, if I remember correctly) - said: "If God had not meant them (the villagers) to be shorn, he would not have made them sheep." Regards, Ed
  15. peavine

    peavine Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Good article, "Pappy" Boyington instead of sheepdog, maybe "Teufel Hunden". Semper Fi. Jonathan Taylor
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