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Setting Doubles

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by kgun_shooter, Apr 9, 2010.

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  1. kgun_shooter

    kgun_shooter Member

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    Question about setting doubles, the rulebook says that to establish the 17 degree angle there should appear to be a straight away when standing 3.5 feet to the right and left of station 1 and 5. Is the 3.5 feet distance measured for the center of the station, left boundary of the station, or the right boundary of the station.
     
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    The center. And 3.5 feet from the center line is not quite halfway between the posts.
     
  3. phirel

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    I want a straight away from one big step from the center of post one and five or one small step from the edge of one and five. There are times when I estimate the distance of one big or one small step. Make sure the target speed is set correctly (+- 39 MPH). Setting them faster will widen the angles.

    Pat Ireland
     
  4. kgun_shooter

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    Second question, if they are wider then how do you make the angle narrower on a PAT trap?
     
  5. Old Cowboy

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    HOW MANY times have I watched 'em center the field by one guy standing halfway between posts 1&2 and another guy standing halfway between posts 4&5 agreeing that they're both looking at straightaways? Folks.......all you're getting here is an off-center doubles field that favors the fussier of the two guys. If you wanna' have a WELL centered doubles field just have ONE guy stand on post 3 and LOOK at a few pairs.

    John C. Saubak
     
  6. cottondoctor

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    Keep in mind the rule states that "the angle of target
    spread is not less than 34 degrees" - which means not less than 17 dgrees form center to left or from center to right...........it can be greater but not "less than" - I would not argue over a foot or so outside - but it can't go inside and be called a legal target-
     
  7. N. J. BOB

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    Changing the angles on a pat trap is not a big deal it takes some time and patiences. Once set for singles thats it, just switch to doubles and you are good to go. You must however still set it for height and field position to finish the doubles turn over.

    ps it's a ONE man job...
     
  8. N. J. BOB

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    Speed will not change the angles...Only make them fly further...
     
  9. setter

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    kgun_shooter,

    The spread of the doubles target is generally fixed and it is controlled by the doubles finger at rear of the machine. Insure that you have the latest doubles finger from Pat-Trap as there have been several generations. The latest is about 9.125 inches long. Find the left/right center of the trap house, measure from the 16 yd line (center of post 3) thru the trap house center, place an "X marks the spot" at 16 yds distance. Place a target on the "X", use this to line up the doubles. Check from both the 1&2 and 4&5 position, match'em up.

    Pat,

    Demo your technique for me, maybe at the Grand, for if you have Pat-Trap doubles throwing a straight away from post one the field may be off.

    Regards,
    Jim
     
  10. halfmile

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    The "X" finger was a welcome addition to the first generationof pat traps.

    It did narrow the spread considerably.

    With regard to setting the targets, When you get the field centered in calm conditions, make a mark on the machine so you can go back to it whenever you need. The pointer on some machines is not necessarily accurate.


    HM
     
  11. phirel

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    Jim- I said one big step from the center mark of post one.
    Also, remember it is the angle that the birds leave the house. They will curve a bit in flight.

    Pat Ireland
     
  12. Old Cowboy

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    Shawn,

    Too many times I've watched 'em center the field by one guy standing between posts 1&2 and another guy standing between posts 4&5, you can see standing behind the field in line with the post 3 walkway that the field is off center. This happens because the angle spread between the targets isn't exactly correct, these guys don't seem to understand that if the spread isn't exact then you're not going to GET perfect straightaways from both sides. What you DO get is one guy adjusting for a straightaway from HIS side and the other guy nodding his head in agreement.

    John C. Saubak
     
  13. Paladin

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    I like to roughly center the field, then set the approximate height, then set the speed of the right target. Reason being, the height (angle of rise) will affect the speed on the radar gun.


    Then fine tune the field center from 40in in from the center of 1 and 5. Sometimes the doubles finger will need to be adjusted to get even target height, which will require slightly re-centering the field again.

    Then get a final speed reading on the radar gun and adjust if needed. All of this can be accomplished with a surprisingly few targets thrown.
     
  14. washandwear

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    Hi

    One trick learned after you have adjusted the left/right angle to its correct setting is to lay a straight edge (broom) across the turrent on the Pat Trap (ones that line up with straight away station 3) and mark top of the trap house roof (inside and after the trap has been elevated).

    Regards

    W&W
     
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