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Sen. John McCain

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  1. Bob Schultz

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    Getting to Know John McCain
    By KARL ROVE
    April 30, 2008; Page A17
    Wall Street Journal
    It came to me while I was having dinner with Doris Day. No, not that Doris Day. The Doris Day who is married to Col. Bud Day, Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, fighter pilot, Vietnam POW and roommate of John McCain at the Hanoi Hilton.
    As we ate near the Days' home in Florida recently, I heard things about Sen. McCain that were deeply moving and politically troubling. Moving because they told me things about him the American people need to know. And troubling because it is clear that Mr. McCain is one of the most private individuals to run for president in history.
    When it comes to choosing a president, the American people want to know more about a candidate than policy positions. They want to know about character, the values ingrained in his heart. For Mr. McCain, that means they will want to know more about him personally than he has been willing to reveal.
    Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, "I told you I would make you a cripple."
    The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day's will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm, and put him in a misshapen cast. This was done so that the arm would heal at "a goofy angle," as Mr. Day explained. Had it done so, he never would have flown again.
    But it didn't heal that way because of John McCain. Risking severe punishment, Messrs. McCain and Day collected pieces of bamboo in the prison courtyard to use as a splint. Mr. McCain put Mr. Day on the floor of their cell and, using his foot, jerked the broken bone into place. Then, using strips from the bandage on his own wounded leg and the bamboo, he put Mr. Day's splint in place.
    Years later, Air Force surgeons examined Mr. Day and complimented the treatment he'd gotten from his captors. Mr. Day corrected them. It was Dr. McCain who deserved the credit. Mr. Day went on to fly again.
    Another story I heard over dinner with the Days involved Mr. McCain serving as one of the three chaplains for his fellow prisoners. At one point, after being shuttled among different prisons, Mr. Day had found himself as the most senior officer at the Hanoi Hilton. So he tapped Mr. McCain to help administer religious services to the other prisoners.
    Today, Mr. Day, a very active 83, still vividly recalls Mr. McCain's sermons. "He remembered the Episcopal liturgy," Mr. Day says, "and sounded like a bona fide preacher." One of Mr. McCain's first sermons took as its text Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21, "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." Mr. McCain said he and his fellow prisoners shouldn't ask God to free them, but to help them become the best people they could be while serving as POWs. It was Caesar who put them in prison and Caesar who would get them out. Their task was to act with honor.
    Another McCain story, somewhat better known, is about the Vietnamese practice of torturing him by tying his head between his ankles with his arms behind him, and then leaving him for hours. The torture so badly busted up his shoulders that to this day Mr. McCain can't raise his arms over his head.
    One night, a Vietnamese guard loosened his bonds, returning at the end of his watch to tighten them again so no one would notice. Shortly after, on Christmas Day, the same guard stood beside Mr. McCain in the prison yard and drew a cross in the sand before erasing it. Mr. McCain later said that when he returned to Vietnam for the first time after the war, the only person he really wanted to meet was that guard.
    Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. Mr. McCain knew the Vietnamese wanted the propaganda victory of the son and grandson of Navy admirals accepting special treatment. "He wasn't corruptible then," Mr. Day says, "and he's not corruptible today."
    The stories told to me by the Days involve more than wartime valor.
    For example, in 1991 Cindy McCain was visiting Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh when a dying infant was thrust into her hands. The orphanage could not provide the medical care needed to save her life, so Mrs. McCain brought the child home to America with her She was met at the airport by her husband, who asked what all this was about.
    Mrs. McCain replied that the child desperately needed surgery and years of rehabilitation. "I hope she can stay with us," she told her husband. Mr. McCain agreed. Today that child is their teenage daughter Bridget.
    I was aware of this story. What I did not know, and what I learned from Doris, is that there was a second infant Mrs. McCain brought back. She ended up being adopted by a young McCain aide and his wife.
    "We were called at midnight by Cindy," Wes Gullett remembers, and "five days later we met our new daughter Nicki at the L.A. airport wearing the only clothing Cindy could find on the trip back, a 7-Up T-shirt she bought in the Bangkok airport." Today, Nicki is a high school sophomore. Mr. Gullett told me, "I never saw a hospital bill" for her care.
    A few, but not many, of the stories told to me by the Days have been written about, such as in Robert Timberg's 1996 book "A Nightingale's Song." But Mr. McCain rarely refers to them on the campaign trail. There is something admirable in his reticence, but he needs to overcome it.
    Private people like Mr. McCain are rare in politics for a reason. Candidates who are uncomfortable sharing their interior lives limit their appeal. But if Mr. McCain is to win the election this fall, he has to open up.
    Americans need to know about his vision for the nation's future, especially his policy positions and domestic reforms. They also need to learn about the moments in his life that shaped him. Mr. McCain cannot make this a biography-only campaign ? but he can't afford to make it a biography-free campaign either Unless he opens up more, many voters will never know the experiences of his life that show his character, integrity and essential decency.
    These qualities mattered in America's first president and will matter as Americans decide on their 44th president.
    Mr. Rove is the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush.
     
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    Thanks Bob for the good piece on John McCain. We need to see more, and not just on this site, but across the country. When I see the likes of Obama winning Primaries in states such as Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, it gets very-very scary.

    I've never been more scared in my adult life about our future as a nation than now. The further we are removed from the events that created and shaped our country, the more scared I get. Events even as near as 9-11 are now a distant memory and forgotten by many. Can you imagine how many have forgotten 1941? Can you imagine how many have forgotten 1776? It is no surprise to me that many have forgotten, or maybe they never knew to begin with. I was having a conversation the other day with a friend and he asked "who was it that landed at Plymouth Rock, George Washington?"

    We, the United States of America are the last hope for Freedom and Liberty on the planet. John McCain, in this election, is the only one who can continue this fight.
     
  3. BIGDON

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    Thanks Bob. This election should be a no-brainer but there are a lot of misguided voters out there and some on this site. The other candidate a true socialist with failed socialist programs for your future.

    McCain a true American who loves his country vs Ohbama who disrespects his country, no flag, no national anthem and says he is ashamed of it.

    Don
     
  4. hreinke

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    Boy, Mccain should have went to med. school when he got home. But that was over 30 years ago, what has he done lately for vets except vote down a bill (7 times) that would help all vets now, more medical treatment,better hospitals,a more up to date G.I. Bill, WHAT A HERO. He is for john mccain and nobody else. Oh and hey TRAPPS, how many Jap cars are YOU and the other hipocrates on this sight driving?
     
  5. BIGDON

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    ts421; As a point of interest are you talking about the "Jap Cars" that are built: on american soil they purchased, built buildings (american trades), pay taxes to local state and feds., hired american workers, bought parts from american suppliers which provided more american jobs, sold through american owned dealerships, dealerships which provide more jobs. Pumped millions into the american economy.

    Do you know of some other "Jap Car". How about the "German Cars" or the "Italian Cars".

    Don
     
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    McCain is fortunate that the Dems have 2 very leftist candidates - but then again, their last sevearl candidates have been very extreme left. He will likely beat either of them IF he can retain the conservative party base. While no one can dispute McCain's fortitude or his integrity, his poitical positions are suspect, especially to the conservative wing of the Republican Party. If they stay home or don't vote the presidential line, he is done!
     
  7. hreinke

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    Hey Big D: didn't know you had two sign in names (Big D and Trapps).I BUY American cars made by the Big Three., that way the money does not go to Japan.Did you ever look into thoughs great Jap plants and find out how they treat there workers? Ask one that works there, that has been hurt and is in the older part of the work force, he probably doesn't work there anymore.Don't tell me how great they are, they are worst than union shops.
     
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    trapshooter421,

    Please humor me. Could you please give us the 1st caricature in your American Made Vehicles 17 digit identification number? Please only the first letter or number.
     
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    If you buy the "big three" much of your money goes to Mexico or Canada. Makes no never-mind with all of the outsourcing that goes on. Bought a GMC a while back and quite a few of the parts indicated "se han hecho en Mexico." And, clearly marked on the invoice it said; "assembled in Canada." Its way outa line when the unions get their bucks and benfits when the more-than-several single parents are working for 5 to 7 bucks an hour with no benefits.
    On the opposite end is the upper echelon corporate management drawing more than a hundred times what the workers are getting. "T'aint" fair is it.
    To boil it down, we really have not choice in the upcoming elections.
    We pick either Curly, Larry or Moe; and pray America survives any of your choices. Squibb
     
  10. hreinke

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    My truck was made in Pontiac,Mi.
     
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    If you never worked in a auto plant like I did for 32 years, you do not know how much my skill is worth and what I had to endure. I don't see anybody bitching about electrians or plumbers making $50.00 an hour.
     
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    my guess with his age, he would need at least 3 naps during the day and 10 weeks of vacation

    bill
     
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    Is anyone keeping up with the crap AAM is trying to do to there employees. They want to cut there pay in half. these people have house payments, car payments and other bills like everyone else. Most of them have been there for 13 years,this a$$hole wants there pay scale cut back to what it was 13 Years Ago.Most places have a two tier pay scale,they leave there older employees where they are and hire new people at the lower scale.But thats the republican way,take everything you can and give nothing back.And I have friends that are republians too.
     
  14. BIGDON

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    Gosh it seems that the assholes at American Axle just want to pay a close wage to what the UAW negotiated with there competitors. Let's see the strike has gone on for 10 weeks and AA has shut down 3 plants and is going for another. Tell me how those people who are now without jobs going to pay their bills, but hey it is all for the good of the union. Read this morning that strikers figure it is over and they had better be looking for a job.

    I could take you to several plants where the UAW thought we are the MAN and by god we aren't going to settle for what's offered. They were right now management shut the whole damn company down and nobody gets a paycheck. Now you and your UAW friends can say we shut ole American Axle down. Those workers have lost more than they will ever earn in their lifetimes if they went back to work today.

    You think the UAW gives a rats ass about their members. They only care about how many members they have, how much dues money comes in and can they keep their fat butts in the union chairs doing nothing. They get their inflated checks while you get none.

    I can hardly wait for the sh_tstorm this will produce.

    Don
     
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    I'm not going to dignify that crap you just spewed with a answer. Ever work in a auto factory or are you one of thoughs white shirt assholes Don
     
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    421: No I never worked in an Auto Plant. I started on a farm at a tender age, lost my father at the age of 5 months. Started out poor as a church mouse, no social programs in the 40's. Worked my way through school and college, gave the Marine Corps a few years and have worked for everthing I have since. Failed more than once but got up and started all over again. Never had a union, didn't need one. I now own my own company so I guess I am a white shirt asshole. And you must be one of those assholes who is overpaid for working minimal time on a shift and cried to your union steward when things didn't go your way. Were one of the lazy ones or did you just protect the lazy ones that made the cost of the job double. Please don't answer as you and your unions have driven more work off shore than any other reason, unions have been the reason for more businesses shuting their doors completely. Can't get a company to locate in Michigan because the labor force has to many out of work UAW members and they don't want the trouble they bring along with being generally poor workers, example Honda engine plant went to southern IL, whoops that was a Jap car company. So be a good union boy and go vote for Obama.

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    Well in the little that I know, I do know that with what the Big Three are producing, they will not compete with the JAPANESE car companies. (Don't use "Jap," it's derogatory like certain other words beginning with "N," and besides, the 40's and 50' are over). With the price of gas, and the decreasing reliability of the Big Three products, more demand is continuing to shift towards the Japanese companies. The government has tried to pass legislation about gas efficiency, however the Big Three come whining and complaining to the government about how they can't meet these demands. Well, everyone knows that that is a load of crap. If the Japanese and European companies can meet those demands, why is it that Detroit can't as well? Detroit needs to top whining and change their way towards the present, not the past.
    -Trappy
     
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    Wow...did this get off track...now, I missed a couple twists: was John McCain a union member while working at the Hanoi Hilton?


    BIGDON: Shhhh...don't waste too much logic on "421"...I work for one of those nasty, Jap companies and the more he spews, the more customers he drives our way...I hope those Axle jerks in Buffalo and Three Rivers keep that place shut down another 2 months at least...by the end of next year, their jobs will be in GUANAJUATO, and we'll pick up the slack for them! Thanks guys!
     
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    The JAP car companies make quality products and although I have never worked in an auto factory, my father in law, and his two friends collectively have approximately 100 years working for GM in three different plants. Two of my uncles retired from GM plants in Michigan for another 60 years worth of knowledge.

    22 hours in a vehicle with those guys one way to go elk hunting every year drives me batty to hear the stories that go on in different plants in different states, at least with GM. Only three elk hunt, regardless the stories are unbelievable about how for the first 3 hours the union guys will read the paper, watch TV. play euchre or spades. The union has very strict rules on who can do what, example: now mill wrights who kind of do a lot of things are not allowed to change light bulbs. That of course is an electrician’s job, but can the white shirt ask the electrician to change the bulb? He can but will catch crap by not going through the committeeman first, don't you dare interrupt Montel Williams show!

    The one guy is a retired assistant plant manager. Two are white shirts and the others are union employees, both mill wrights and collectively their stories are amazing. There are some stupid, arrogant white shirts screwing stuff up regularly and there are lazy ass union employees who expect a pay check because they are a union man.

    Like I said, I don't have a dog in this hunt, I am just relaying a fraction of the stories I sit back and listen too while they vent on each other. . .
     
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