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Sen. DeMint Warns of Possible Death for GOP

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by wireguy, Sep 19, 2010.

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  1. wireguy

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    Sept. 17: Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., speaks to the Values Voter Summit, held by the Family Research Council Action in Washington.
    WASHINGTON -- One of the GOP's most conservative senators and a tea-party favorite, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, says the Republican Party will be "dead" if it fails to live up to its principles again.

    DeMint has been critical of Republicans who he contends have not lived up to conservative values of limited government. He has long argued that when Republicans controlled Congress during the Bush administration, they spent and borrowed too much.

    Amid predictions that the GOP will regain control of the House, DeMint says that if GOP lawmakers don't do what they say they'll do, if they are in the majority, in his words, "the Republican Party's dead."

    DeMint made his comments in an interview aired Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."
     
  2. wireguy

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    I have been saying the same thing for a long time. I think the same thing applies to NRA. If these huge "conservative" money and power bloated institutions don't start living up to their charters they don't risk, they WILL become irrelevant and will be replaced.
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    The RINOs and Neocons have been screwing up the conservative movement for some time now. That's why the Liberatarians and tea parties have been able to siphon off votes.
     
  4. halfmile

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    The Republican Party of 2008 was like a dinosaur thrashing about in the tar pits.

    There is a good chance they will gain the House back, and possibly increase in the Sebnate.

    And if they don't come through this time they could indeed perish. The Tea Party movement is a fertile nest for a new egg to hatch.

    HM
     
  5. shot410ga

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    Seems the Tory Party went down the tubes for the same reasons in the 1800's.
     
  6. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    I'm still looking for the Repubs. to adopt a platform (promise to America) and come out with exactly what they want to accomplish for us. They need to unite on their ideas and keep conservative America and the Constitution in their foremost thoughts. Bulge.
     
  7. Charkat1

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    Bulge, you are so right. In the best of all possible worlds, I believe the Tea Party must ally itself with the GOP to gain strength and credibility. We don't need another political party. We need to reform the one we have. The GOP needs to return to core principles and firm adherence to the Constitution. Does that sound too far fetched at this juncture?

    Charlene
     
  8. highflyer

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    I hope they can weed out the "moderates". Republicans for decades have elected these "moderates" because they are the only candidates that can win in the liberal Northeast, the West Coast and the heavily unionized Midwest. Then the party is beaten over the head by the same liberals for not being any different than the Democrats when it comes to big government. Better to lose in liberal parts of the country than to win with libs spoiling the whole Party. This country is completely broke from way too much government. Everything the government touches turns to waste.
     
  9. grunt

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    Dump Carl Rove thats a start.
     
  10. bigdogtx

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    Have you noticed that the "establishment" republicans are acting like little girls in a popularity contest,,,,won't concede and support the winner,,,,rove and krauthamer are also doing,,,,if you don't vote for who "we" want you to,,,,then YOU are stupid,,,,they wanted the tea partiers to get in there and get involved,,,,and then when they did and wanted conservativism,,,,not the rinos that have walked hand in hand with the democrats....

    Last I looked this is America and WE have the RIGHT to vote for whomever WE want to,,,,if you don't like our candidates,,,,TOO BAD,,,,I didn't like McCain, but supported him (mainly due to Palin)....
     
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    I, too, supported McCain, but not mainly due to Palin, but mainly due to Obama.
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  12. crusha

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    DeMint is smoking dope.


    The fact is, the plain-old moderate GOP is getting ready to have a fantastic election. They are going to win 50+ seats in the House without even trying. The vast majority of those will be plain-Jane squishy RINO Republicans with no ties to the Tea Party whatsoever. Anybody who doesn't see that, simply lacks the ability to observe how political cycles work in this country. The Tea Party will elect a couple people...and the GOP moderates will send 50 of their own. In terms of sheer numbers of people elected, the moderate wing of the GOP is going to TROUNCE the Tea Party. (For chrissakes, Indiana has a GOP Senatorial candidate who voted FOR the Assault Weapon Ban AND the Brady Bill...and he's running away with the election).


    In short...reports of the death of the moderate GOP are over-hyped.


    On the other hand - the Tea Party will run its course. It will not last, nor will much of significance arise from it.


    It's strictly a primary and midterm phenomenon. This small group of folks has been looking for a way to get themselves heard for a long time, and they finally figured out they can magnify their influence by concentrating on PRIMARY elections, rather than General ones. The mainstream, moderate, compromising Arlen Specter "Governing Statesmen" wing of the GOP, of course, never saw this coming. But it's just a small speed-bump to them.


    I like the Tea Party's sucess...I'm just not going to buy into the hype that it will carry over into mainstream politics and have an effect in Presidential election years. The majority of Americans isn't going to magically get smarter and make better Presidential choices, just because a small group of folks has figured out how to "work" the primary process. (And if Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton weren't enough to electro-shock these dolts into semi-sentience, Obama won't be, either).


    Have your fun, folks...but remember: This. Will. Not. Last. The American Public oscillates like a weather vane, and masses of Dumb Americans voting one party or another into (and back out of) power is equivalent to Chevy Chase's wife in Christmas Vacation, flipping the switch back and forth trying to get the Christmas lights to come on. The don't know what the hell they are doing, and whichever party is in control when the lights flick on is a bunch of geniuses as far as they're concerned.


    It's time for the two so-called "fringes" to face cold, hard reality:


    The Far Left will have to accept that America will always be a capitalist nation, essentially run by large, moneyed, corporate interests. Health Care is _not_ a right, everyone can't be on the government payroll, there will not be a Public Option, and Life will never be Fair. We cannot afford to Make It So. We never could.


    The Far Right will have to accept that the sexual revolution happened, morals have changed by popular approbation (ie, millions of citizens voting with their feet), Traditional Values have been largely rejected, the Mesicans and Homosexuals ain't going _any_where, this country will never have a Fair/Flat/Single Tax, and the days of single-income families with bread-winner men and wives who stay home baking green-bean casseroles with Durkee onion chips on top are over, and they're never coming back. (There's just about enough of these latter kind of people left in America to sway the results of primaries and perhaps one Midterm every ten years or so - nothing else).




    Anybody who tells you otherwise, is just blowing smoke up your azz.
     
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    Gee Buzz you just stuck mapin in my baloon. You sounded like Grammy on that one. LOL, Bulge.
     
  14. highflyer

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    Buzz gun is right. There is no going back. Socialism and government control over every aspect of our lives will continue to grow until the country goes broke or until we are taxed to the point that the achievers quit trying and we all go down together, which is what tends to happen in socialist countries. The "Far Right" was never capable of stopping the perverted social behavior of the far left. They will never be able to stop homosexual men from having anal and oral sex with each other. They will never be able to stop the millions of drug users from wasting their brains every evening in their homes, and they will never be able to stop women and men from killing their mistakes and making them accept the responsibility of unintentionally bringing a new life into the world. Liberalism will continue to be the driving force in America. The traditional family and our historical Christian values will continue to decline. It has to with the increase of homosexuality and feminism. There will also continue to be the counter to that culture in the world. Islam, or something comparable, had to rise up to counter the moral rot of the West. A nation run by homosexuals and women will not continue to prosper. It will be destroyed from within and without. You can see our weakness growing every year.
     
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    Okay this one is just too fun. Please explain to us how what kind of sex gay people engage in has anything to do with the current state of our nation. News flash ...... there are more than a few gays on the right and always has been.
     
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    I don't know why the left is so scared of the social right. I don't know anyone trying to pass laws against men enjoying each other's bodies. There are still people trying in vain to stop them from changing the very definition of marriage. I include it because the moral rot and the debt are inextricably connected. The government and the pop culture have promoted the destruction of the traditional family and promoted feminism and homosexuality. What they haven't succeeded in is anything better to replace it with. Almost all poverty in America is caused by this destruction of the traditional family. This is where the Libertarian Party gets it wrong. They are not intelligent enough to see the connection between social liberalism and the growth of government socialism. Drugged out people and single mothers don't work without socialism to prop them up. Our increase in socialism is in direct proportion to our increase in immorality. Corrupt people will have a corrupt government. Where the Tea Party gets it wrong is in their promotion of feminism. No culture ever survived very long being run by women. They get destroyed.
     
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    I agree with the writer who said Libertarians don't get it. They exist in a fantasy world where every person is self-sufficient, responsible, and nobody relies on the government to provide for them. In Libertarian-world, everyone is 25 years old, educated, healthy, has a plethora of employment opportunities available, and expects nothing from anyone else, save the opportunity to participate in mutually-beneficial, non-coercive exchanges.


    Real Americans are fat, horny, lazy, dumb, make bad choices, and throw themselves at the mercy of society to make up the difference. The Libertarian Ideal falls apart pretty quickly if more than 1% of the public won't live up to it.
     
  18. wireguy

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    A lot of cold water here but the truth is seldom warm and fuzzy.
     
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    As a country, we aren't old enough to be a "culture." We are hardly old enough to be a sociable society. We don't know who we are or who we are supposed to be. On our journey, we aren't any where near half way where we are going. Think about it: the Chinese have been using the same language for thousands of years. When all else failed, their culture was their leader. Since Abraham Lincoln died, the only true leadership we have had has been the wind and the curse of manifest destiny. We're like a giant ant hill, but we aren't ants, we're people and our little sloop sails the seas without a captain. We're fat and dumb and smart and thin. We're rich and poor and sharp and dull. We're straight or gay or at-home or climbing the ladder. We're Cowboys or Redskins or Yankees or Dodgers. We are so many different things that we never find the time to start the journey to being who we are.

    In the vacuum created by the absense of leadership, we continuously invent and reinvent a socially acceptable subterfuge so we don't have to face the truth..."In the room the women come and go talking of Michelangelo"...that only a few men have the courage to win the Medal Of Honor. A leader, God, bring us a leader!
     
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    But there's the problem right there: Americans think they have a leader. Did you hear the woman who zinged Obama with the "why haven't you improved my life?" question the other night? They thought they elected a guy who was gonna pay off their house for them.


    They are followers, and they have their "leader." Look at all the idiots on Facebook who list "Barack Obama" as one of their favorite people? I don't care if Ronald Reagan came back, I sure as heck wouldn't idolize any politician, regardless of stripe. (And don't get me started on the Palin thing...)


    Too many sheep looking for a herder.
     
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