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Save Our Country

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by 635 G, Mar 17, 2010.

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  1. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    The writing is on the wall. We the citizens have to save our nation. It is not a Republican or a Democrat problem. It is an "INCUMBENT" problem. We must fire everyone from dog-catcher up. I don't care if they claim, I did a good job. My answer to this crap is, it happened on your watch. We must get the general public to have a knee jerk reaction --If they are in, they are out. This will break the strangle hold of special interests. Campaign money won't mean a thing.
    I'm willing to donate $5000.00 towards a bill board on Rt. I-95 the major N/S route in the east. The Bill board would simply say--"re-elect no one". I need some one in the bill board/advertising industry to help,also. I honestly feel we have less than 10 years to fix our nation before we enter a terminal death spiral.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  2. highflyer

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    It is true that some Republicans are liberals but all Democrats are liberals. Not one Republican is voting for the governments take over of health care which will become our biggest government program yet. The Republicans did not support cap and tax either. I will never vote out my conservative Republican representatives. I would if they were liberals. What we have is a divided America. Half of Americans want to be taken care of and if that means losing freedom so be it. The other half value their freedom and want to be left alone. It is a liberal conservative issue.
     
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    You're in you're out. 2010 and 2012. Bulge.
     
  4. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    Conservatives, liberals--they are neither--they are career politicians & that is all they really care about. One term & out. The stakes are too high. The way things are going-conservative or liberal won't mean a thing--when you will need a shoe box full of $$$$ to buy a loaf of bread.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  5. highflyer

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    If only liberals were that gullible. Then I wouldn't worry. Then it wouldn't matter. But they will not vote out their liberal representatives. Liberals never vote against there own. They know where their money comes from. You should look at your representatives voting record to decide whether to keep them in or not. But I guess that takes too much effort.
     
  6. jjwack10

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    It amazes me that our government thinks they can run a program of this magnitude or any other for that matter. Our government cannot run anything successfully. Look at at all the programs such as social security. We the people need to wake up. The problem is that the most people in our country have the mindset that "there's nothing I can do about it, so why worry about it". May God help us all if this H/C bill passes.

    Jason
     
  7. highflyer

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    I don't think the American people are innocent in our country going broke. Our government gives out handouts because a large segment of the American public want them. Americans are like spoiled children. They want and want and want. They don't care where the money comes from. They aren't smart enough to know that the government can't give you something without taking it away first.
     
  8. Luckyman

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    One person put it best in an interview I saw last night....The difference between Americans now and Americans in prior generations is the fact that our parents, grandparents and great grandparents that immigrated here came with nothing, were given nothing and the only thing they expected was a chance....They were of the mindset to " Make and Save" while generations following are under the mentality of " Borrow and Spend" ! We don't make anything in this country anymore...China makes everything we consume it! Now China is lending us money so we can continue to buy their products so they can continue to put green house gasses into the atmosphere and we are the country that is worried about a myth like global warming willing to strangle financially our own people!!!

    We have a ROGUE Government that refuses to listen to the people...The Sh!#t will hit the fan if this goes through under the procedural process they are following....What they really don't understand is the process is as important than the policy it produces to the American people and never have the American people been so in tune with an issue like Health Care...This will effect everyone for generations....I am 42 right now and I don't want the years I will need health care most in the hands of the bureaucrats!!!!
     
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    Obama has a 48 percent approval rating this morning with 44 percent disapproval. Americans want a socialist country and by the end of this week they will have a completely socialist country.
     
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    No way am I buying that stat or the fact Americans want a Socialist country!!!His approval rating is below 50% where it has been for months...What poll are you citing? Look at Rasmussen...People Strongly disapprove by an overwhelming majority of 48% while only 25% strongly approve....If we wanted Socialism you would not see the outcry and uprising that we have seen....It's the exact opposite...If one thing Obama is doing for this country is Awakening it to Socialism and you can see Americans REJECTING IT!!! The only people that want a socialistic society are the people we voted into office.. The will of a small minority is now controlling a majority....Hmm....What does that sound like..Venezuela? Iran? Pre Bush Iraq...The only difference is we are an Armed population that will only take sooo much...I would fear for my life if I were a politician that votes for this Bill!!!
     
  11. highflyer

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    By next week it will all be decided. If you want a to live free I suggest you start looking for a new country. But I don't think there are any free countries left. As Reagan said, we are the last chance at freedom the world has. And now we have lost it. The natural tendency of governments is not toward freedom but tyranny. It was a good experiment while it lasted. For 200 years we were free.
     
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    We will always be free as long as we have the will and the means to fight against a tyrannical government....That is one of the main reasons for the 2nd Amendment...There will be another civil war before America turns to socialism!

    I am well armed and will die to remain free and I know I'm not alone!!!!
     
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    The day that this H/C bill is signed without full participation by the House of Representatives will be day our country will have its second day of infamy.
    Heaven help our country.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  14. jjwack10

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    Are we really a free country. Our freedoms have been taken little by little. Every year that passes we are less free. It boggles my mind that people do not see what is happening. If health care passes, our country is doomed. It will take a few years to see the results of spending a trillion dollars a year on H/C. I suspect that it will be much more than what they are telling us. If you think socialism is not happening, listen to the words of Pelosi "This is only the beginning of what we have planned for our government". There needs to be 1 day where any American that is against the direction our governement is headed marches on there State Courthouse. The problem is we would need everybody, reguardless of work or any other priorities. This would throw our country in a frenzy. I still don't believe that our politicians have heard us yet.

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  15. SeldomShoots

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    Good post Phil. Lucky, even though I didn't agree with some of your statements in the "Failed President" thread. I agree with what you are saying in this thread so far. You are right on the money.

    High, you are so full of it. There are some conservative democrats out there, but you're so called conservative republicans gave away the store to big corporations and did nothing to curb the loss of manufacturing jobs in U.S. during GWB's 6 years of Republican controlled house and senate. Granted, the minimum wage increased in the last or second to last year of GWB's administration under the democrat controlled congress. However, the minimum wage increase didn't get this ball started, NAFTA did and that was started under George H.W. Bush's administration and passed under Clinton's. The China inflicted wound of America's industrial manufacturing started festering a long time ago, and no group of politicians whether conservative or liberal have done anything to stop it. U.S. corporations that moved their manufacting to China probably lined the campaign coffers both liberal and conservative politicians equally.

    Now, Obama and a high majority of democrats want to pass health care reform and the republicans are against it with a couple of democrats. And it is nothing more than a power struggle and posturing for re-election. There is no doubt this country needs to get a grip on health care costs, insurance premiums, and people in general need to take a more pro-active role in taking better care of themselves and not running to the emergency room for every little problem. However, not knowing completely what is in the bill and the way our government has run things so far makes me uncomfortable as hell. And while we're on the subject, can someone anyone tell me why hospitals cannot or do not turn away illegal immigrants and people without health insurance, if there are no life threatening issues. You know these folks are not going to pay and that drives the cost up for health care providers, insurance companies, and guys like me that have high deductible insurance.

    Further, on the issue of health care reform, this past summer I hurt my shoulder bad enough that I needed an MRI. One hospital charged $1,800 and insurance would approve $1,080 for an MRI. I asked the referring orthopedic doctor's staff if they had MRI capabilities at their main office in Cincinnati, OH, she indicated they did. I asked what they charge and how good was their equipment. Turns out their equipment was just as good or better than the local hospital and they charged $1,070 and insurance approved $317. I question why there was so much price difference, other than the obvious opportunity to gouge or a poorly managed hospital being to blame. Nevertheless, a little price shopping saved me over $700 on my health care costs. The Cincinnati office was 45 minutes away, and I asked why she didn't set me up right away at her office, her response was that she didn't want to force me to go there. Good Lord, what an inconvenience to drive 45 minutes to save $700. That was the best hourly wage I ever made. I have come to the conclusion that people and our government are either too dumb or too proud to ask what something costs, to haggle or they don't give a damn because it is part of their benefits package. Maybe we need some old tight dutchman to be a Health Care Cost Czar to widdle these prices down. Maybe the unions and the management of the large companies and small ones need to worry less about their wage or salary increases and hire a qualified guy to negotiate with health care providers and the insurance companies.

    Conservative and liberal are loose terms that take in a lot of different positions on many issues. Right now this country needs some good tightwad self-employed people or businessmen running the show.

    Also, don't tell me how GWB and his house and senate were busy keeping us safe from terrorist. Any politician that can generate enough money to get elected, or who is supposed to be the so called "cream of the crop" ought to be able to handle more than one task. That is why I think your thoughts on republicans being conservative is BS. When they had the chance to do something, they didn't. Their excuse is: we were busy fighting terrorism, and it became the cry they used to help win a 2nd term for Bush, (we accomplished something, albeit one thing), plus the democrats ran an unelectable candidate. Now we have the health care fiasco for the democrat and republican idiots to fight over for political posturing. It is all that the democrats are focusing on because Obama wants it as his pet project, (probably, so he can say, look, we passed health care reform), regardless, if it is well thought out, planned, written and a benefit or detriment to the country, (in all likelihood, the later). The truth is, politicians don't give a rat's a$$ about us. No politician probably has any trouble sleeping at night regardless of the outcome of proposed legislation. They get their salary, their pension and their perks, regardless of performance. Maybe we need men and women who have to hold down 2 jobs just to make ends meet for the daunting multi-tasking necessary to make this government and our country run properly. It is time to expect less from our government and more from our government officials.

    Phil is absolutely correct this is not a conservative/liberal issue, it is an INCUMBENT issue.

    John E.

    P.S. High, I would respect your opinions more if you put your name to them. As far as I know you could just be a young guy without much experice and don't know anybetter.

    As an after thought, Obama ran with the slogan, "Change we can believe in." But it seems more like it should have been: "Change he can deceive in.", and it applies to darn near every politician in Washington.
     
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    My ideal billboard shows a toilet labeled Washington DC, and the message says "Flush the Toilet, Re elect No One"

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  17. highflyer

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    A billion dollars a day in interst and we are adding the biggest government programs yet. That is insane.
     
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