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Salt water fuel...Anyone heard of this?

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    This was in 2007, but I had not ever seen anything about it.


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  2. Neil Winston

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    I suppose the reason it hasn't taken off is that one quarter of the energy used to run it is lost. This is a bad efficiency even for lone, unappreciated, genius inventors. Or dazzled, ill-educated, ratings-starved TV reporters, too.

    Neil
     
  3. crusha

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    I've often thought that the most important thing we could do in education, is force every U.S. secondary school student to take a basic thermodynamics course, and pass it, no exceptions, before they're allowed to drive.


    Getting their drivers' license is when stupid people start to pollute the gene pool, and we could cut out a lot of crap right there if we could keep non-technical people from putting on the Sadi Carnot hat.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    The Germans made gasoline from sea water in WWII, in a limestone mixture, with intense pressure and heat. It was expensive to make, and used up more energy to make than cracking and distilling crude oil. It worked, but it was also highly corrosive.

    That's the problem with many synthetic fuels. By the time you factor in the energy it takes to make the fuel, including raw ingredients, they are not economically viable. Look how the ethanol industry crashed after gasoline prices went back down a couple of years ago. We have a big ethanol plant that was shut down here because the cost was unsustainable. And for other synthetic fuels, the costs are even higher to make them than ethanol. By the time you get to that point, crude oil from coal or shale becomes economical.

    What's needed is to dust off old patents. A late friend of mine in the 1970's held a patent on a six cycle engine. It ran just like a four stroke, except it had an additional power stroke and exhaust stroke. This is because the cooling fins were machined off the outside of the cylinders to keep the heat in the engine, and the top of the piston was finned. Water was injected, which turned to steam. This gave a really strong power stroke, and it helped absorb heat, providing internal cooling. The camshaft, instead of running at half crank speed, ran at a third crank speed, and had some unique exhaust lobes, since the exhaust valve was operated twice. His patent collected cobwebs and went nowhere.

    Smokey Yunick came up with a design for a engine that ran very hot. So hot (the intake manifold air charge was around 400 degrees) that gasoline was turned into a true gaseous vapor (carbs and fuel injection simply atomize the fuel). Incredible torque from a small engine. No one could stall it in any gear on a steep hill. Economy vs power was outstanding. He couldn't sell it to Detroit.

    Designs like these need to be looked into again, instead of getting into more and more into batteries using toxic heavy metals that are monopolized by the Chinese.
     
  5. bigdogtx

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    thanks, figured something was amiss if this had not been touted from the hilltops.
     
  6. Neil Winston

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    Oh how this brings back the fun times of the past!

    Does anyone remember Compuserve? And the Physics forums? Believe it or not, there was one dedicated - in say 1995+ - to cold fusion. The main contributor was a guy named Jed Rothwell and there was no limit to what he would promote including, of course, pricy "home cold fusion kits."

    Those breathless boobs on channel 3 in Erie were nothing compared to an ABC investigative hour on the "Patterson Device" which produced "excess heat" the high-powered ABC reporters could feel, though they never asked: "What are those wires leading into the duct-taped midsection of the Micro-sphere Generator?" Patterson, once working for someone but now primarily a bass fisherman, just wanted to save humanity in his self-deprecating way, and led the "reporters" down a path that was both delightful and frightening to see. The viewer wondered: Is the rest of the news reported by people as dumb, gullible, and easily misled as this?

    Every now and then I paw though the very, very back of the magazine display at B&N and am rewarded by the single copy they ordered of "Infinite Energy," predictably edited by the selfsame Jed Rothwell. You really ought to look at it sometime. Its readers are probably, today, making laws.

    Neil
     
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