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Sales TX at the Grand?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by hunter44, Jul 15, 2012.

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  1. hunter44

    hunter44 Well-Known Member

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    Do all vendors at the Grand collect Illinois state tx or only those vendors located within the state borders? How does that work?
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure will let us know, but, my understanding is Illinois, like most states, charges taxes on all sales within it's borders...
     
  3. Mark425

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    If its expensive enough to justify...have it shipped and avoid the tax in most cases.
     
  4. BigM-Perazzi

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    that's a possibility...
     
  5. MDMike

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    Normally sales tax is collected and paid to the state where the sale takes place. Here in the Peoples Republic of Maryland, they want to tax internet sales and other sales that take place in other places but are delivered to Maryland. A couple of Governors ago came up with a "Sales Tax Czar" to try to enforce internet sales tax. He soon quietly lost his job however, as he bought some leather sofas on line and it was discovered he didn't pay the sales tax. Sometimes the State position State Troopers at the borders to fine residents that bring in cigarattes and furniture. No joke, this really happened.
     
  6. hunter44

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    I'm looking to purchase a new or near new MX15 at the Grand & was thinking about having it shipped to my FFL holder.......thanks for the info.!
     
  7. grntitan

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    hunter,

    I don't have the answer to your question per say although I believe everyone selling at the Grand must make right with the IL Government one way or another for Sales Tax. I bought a gun a few years ago at the Grand and negotiated an " out the door" price. I told the dealer this certain price was what I would pay period. No additional charges. Whatever or however he chose to deal with the Sales Tax was his deal. It was a legal sale and all paper work completed. I am sure he knew what he was doing as it was no rookie gun dealer.
     
  8. BigM-Perazzi

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    Call Jaquas and ask them the process.

    Legally, your going to pay someone tax, unless you live in one of those tax free states. You could look at the gun you want, then have them send it to your FFL in state. But, if you purchase in Illinois and take it with you plan on paying Illinois tax..
     
  9. over the hill

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    Before long all the loopholes between states not charging tax on out of state purchases will be closed.

    Millions of revenue lost that states could be giving the deadbeats to sit on their porches and do nothing.

    I heard on the news that Gov. Christie and the state of New Jersey signed an agreement with, Amazon.com, I think, to collect tax.

    Get ready it's coming.



    Regards....Gerald
     
  10. plaw

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    let me throw another curve on sales tax. If a dealer has a consignment gun do they have to charge tax. I bought a rifle in Indiana from a dealer, that was a consignment gun and was told they are not alowed to charge tax as they do not own the gun. I bought a trap gun in Ill. from a shop and was told the same thing. I bought another trap gun from Dawsons @ the oh. state that was a consignment gun and they charged me tax. ?
     
  11. 870

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    plaw:

    Sales tax is a state issue, and it could vary. If you want to know the real answer, my guess would be that generally they should charge sales tax since they are acting as an agent of the seller.
     
  12. over the hill

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    Here in Ohio, say you buy a re-built water pump for your car.

    You have the old pump with you. They put your old pump in the box, give you the new pump and related parts.

    Sales Tax is charged on the entire purchase, core included, and then it's deducted from the total.

    You are paying tax on the core regardless. Seems unfair but that's the way they do it.


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  13. GrandpasArms

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    Illinois is strange and greedy. I have some retail businesses in this state - much to my growing chagrin. The recent rulings insist that sales tax be collected on all sales IN the state. They also clip any retail sales from any vendor who "has a physical presence" in Illinois. For example, one well known wholesaler got nailed because he sets up shop once ever few months at one of the shooting clubs. His trailers constitute a physical presence to the state and he charges sales tax on everything he sells AND delivers to any Illinois resident who buys online or by telephone.

    One gun wholesaler in Kentucky sells guns to Illinois residents every day and we don't pay tax on the purchase because he does NOT have a physical presence here. I once visited this company when traveling in Kentucky and it was financially best for me to order from home, avoid the taxes, and accept free delivery.

    Now, the question remains on whether our state considers the shops at the grand to be a physical presence in Illinois. There must be a definition someplace, but I don't know where it would be -possibly in Lisa Madigan's brain - Illinois' Attorney General.


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  14. b12

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    Many of the dealings I have is I figure the tax that what is going to be charged. Then I tell them they drop the price enough for me to pay reg. price with tax figured in. If they do I purchase. If not I move on and find someone who will. It works for me. Wild Bill
     
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    GrandpasArms:

    What you describe is how it operates in any state I am aware of. Yes, vendors at the Grand have what is called "Nexus" in the state and have to be registered and collect IL sales tax on taxable sales. Once you have Nexus, you have to collect sales tax on all taxable sales in or shipped into the state. This can be a problem with a mail-order or internet business with substantial sales in another state. Generally they have no duty to collect sales tax, but once they set up a tent for a week in the state, suddenly they are subbject to collecting tax on all sales into the state. Can be a big problem.

    Nexus can be created in much less obvious situations also - having salesmen in the state, driving your delivery trucks into the state, etc.

    You don't need to have a brick and mortar shop to get caught up in this.
     
  16. Stl Flyn

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    I think if you purchase face to face, in that state, you are going to have to pay taxes. Now if you reside in a different state than the FFL dealer, negotiate a price, go home, send him the check, and have him ship it to your local FFL dealer. Sure shipping and transfer, will cost you, but the tax may be significantly more. If you reside in the same state, and it is shipped to you, you would still have to pay the state tax. That is how it is in Wisconsin anyways.

    Guns that are on consignment are still written in the FFL logs, if it is in their possession for a certain amount of time. It may be while that owner is present. When that gun leaves the dealer as sold, in the same state, I believe they would have to pay the tax. If purchased online to another state, I believe the tax is not paid, but it has to go to a FFL dealer to do the transfer, in which the FFL dealer usually charges a fee, of which will be taxed as income.

    So, some how or another, there will be tax paid somewhere down the line.
     
  17. oldgahchamp

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    Here in the socialist State of New York if you buy ANYTHING outside of NY that is taxable in NY, YOU OWE the tax and are expected to submit the proper amount to the NYS Sales Tax Dept. That is the Law, but I don't think many people pay much attention to it. What would you expect from a state that elects Barney Frank, Charlie Rangle, Hillary Clinton, Chuckie Schumer,et al? Larry Evans
     
  18. BigJohn270

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    What is the sales tax rate for Ill?
     
  19. grntitan

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    IL Sales Tax is 6.25%-6.75% depending on the item purchased.
     
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    Barney is for Mass, but I woud expect the same from them.

    bILL
     
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