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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Kevin Nelson, Sep 13, 2012.

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  1. Kevin Nelson

    Kevin Nelson Member

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    Is there an ATA rule that says shooters must wear eye protection? I Was at a shoot this last weekend and a guy never wore any kind of glasses at all. When I aksed shoot management about it, they said that if he shot good scores and won womething they would DQ him.
     
  2. Shawn

    Shawn Member

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    Yes

    Eye and ear protection are required for shooters and scorers.

    "16. All persons including competitors, referee/scorers, and trap
    personnel must wear appropriate eye and hearing protection while
    on the trap field. Failure to comply may result in disqualification."
     
  3. Mark T

    Mark T TS Member

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    According to the ATA Rule book "All persons including competitors, referee/scorers, and trap
    personnel must wear appropriate eye and hearing protection while
    on the trap field. Failure to comply may result in disqualification."

    Hope this answers your question.
     
  4. V10

    V10 Well-Known Member

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    IV, I, 16:

    "16.All persons including competitors, referee/scorers, and trap
    personnel must wear appropriate eye and hearing protection while on the trap field. Failure to comply may result in disqualification."
     
  5. 320090T

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    Seems like it would be hard to make a shooter wear eye protection when many scorekeepers don't wear them. Even saw a ref at a shoot off in Indiana not wearing them.
     
  6. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    There is NO discretion on line personnel.


    This includes all employees who perform duties on or near the trap field. Shoot Management is required to enforce this provision, failure to do so may result in disciplinary action;
     
  7. Dickgshot

    Dickgshot Well-Known Member

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    notice the word is "may" not "will."
     
  8. hmb

    hmb Well-Known Member

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    Who wrote these rules? May result in disqualification? It all depends on who you know? That's what it sounds like. HMB
     
  9. BigM-Perazzi

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    Dick, for line personnel it says mgmt is required...
     
  10. Taprackflip

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    Can someone explain "Known Ability." I see it referenced in the rule book, but it seems like it is being used on a subjective basis?
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

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    When you walk in to classify and your buddy says "gonna run another 200 and show these yahoos who's top dog?" And your card says class B with your last 3 scores are 98 197 97....

    The classifier squints thru steely eyes and says "known ability"
     
  12. Taprackflip

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    Big, I don't think that is how the rule is applied. I was looking for a better rational of how the rule is applied. The rule book talks about discarding abnormally low scores. Not just whether you shoot a 98 197 97....
    Thanks!
     
  13. ivanhoe

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    Flip it is in the rulebook just like the references you write of just read A, 1, 2, and 3. That should give you a large clue as to what "known ability" is especially the last paragraph (3)

    "I see it referenced in the rule book, but it seems like it is being used on a subjective basis?"

    Bob Lawless

    C. CLASSIFICATION

    1. For 16-yard targets and Doubles, shooters should be placed in three
    (3) or more classes, according to their established average and/or
    known ability. A new shooter may be assigned to any class in 16-yards
    and Doubles events, at the discretion of classification personnel until
    the shooter establishes his/her known ability.

    a. To arrive at known ability the following should be taken into
    consideration as far as such information is or can be made
    available:

    (1) Official registered targets (abnormally low scores should be
    disregarded). Averages of all registered shooters are compiled
    and published annually.

    (2) Non-registered scores including Shoot-off scores, nonregistered
    events, practice scores, etc.

    (3) Any other information bearing on a shooter’s ability to shoot
    and break targets.
     
  14. Jason Hassler

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    I would have asked the shoot management why they would disqualify him only IF he won something. Only the winners are in danger of their eyes getting put out?
     
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