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Rules for a gunfight! (READ THIS!!!!)

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  1. johnjohn91387

    johnjohn91387 TS Member

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    Always remember: When SECONDS count, cops are only MINUTES away. 911 is nothing but government sponsored DIAL-A-PRAYER
    CONTROVERSIAL THEY MAY BE, BUT THESE ARE THE RULES AS SEEN BY "THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE (SURVIVED) THAT.

    1. Forget about knives, bats and fists. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring four times the ammunition you think you could ever need.

    2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap - life is expensive. If you shoot inside, buckshot is your friend. A new wall is cheap - funerals are expensive

    3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

    4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

    5. Move away from your attacker and go to cover. Distance is your friend. (Bulletproof cover and diagonal or lateral movement are preferred.)

    6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a semi or full-automatic long gun and a friend with a long gun.

    7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

    8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running. Yell "Fire!" Why "Fire"? Cops will come with the Fire Department, sirens often scare off the bad guys, or at least cause then to lose concentration and will.... and who is going to summon help if you yell "Intruder," "Glock" or "Winchester?"

    9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

    10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

    11. Stretch the rules. Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

    12. Have a plan.

    13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work. "No battle plan ever survives 10 seconds past first contact with an enemy."

    14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible, but remember, sheetrock walls and the like stop nothing but your pulse when bullets tear through them.

    15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

    16. Don't drop your guard.

    17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees. Practice reloading one-handed and off-hand shooting. That's how you live if hit in your "good" side.

    18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. Smiles, frowns and other facial expressions don't (In God we trust. Everyone else keep your hands where I can see them.)

    19. Decide NOW to always be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

    20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

    21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet if necessary, because they may want to kill you.

    22. Be courteous to everyone, overly friendly to no one.

    23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

    24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".

    25. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket." At a practice session, throw you gun into the mud, then make sure it still works. You can clean it later.

    26. Practice shooting in the dark, with someone shouting at you, when out of breath, etc.

    27. Regardless of whether justified of not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.

    28. The only thing you EVER say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please speak with my attorney."

    Finally, Drill Sergeant Frick's Rules For Un-armed Combat.

    1. Never be unarmed.

    Edit, 02-24-09.

    Tracer rounds, work both ways.......coming and going.
     
  2. below 0

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    Great...Nothing else to say...Dale
     
  3. Ahab

    Ahab Well-Known Member

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    If you find yourself in a "fair gunfight" it is time to rethink your strategey!
     
  4. esoxhunter

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    John: When I used to train our firearms/chemical agent students; we used a number of those rules. We also had a saying, ( we even had t-shirts with this saying on them); "They don't pay me to fight fair-Only to win". Ed
     
  5. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    I like it John. Thanks for posting it.
     
  6. PerazziBigBore

    PerazziBigBore TS Member

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    Fantastic.. and all very true..
     
  7. Loyac

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    Well said John. John
     
  8. KENENT1

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    also, when you can see the enemy...they can see you too.


    tony
     
  9. W.P.T.

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    I have those posted on the wall over the computer so I can look at them every day ... They all make very good sense to me so does, Shoot first, ask questions later ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  10. gun fitter

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    Too many rules to remember! I have two.

    1 If you have to take the time to think your probably dead.

    2 Never be afraid! If your afraid of anything your afraid of living. This was taught to me by my Grandfather. In his days on this planet he was a professional heavy weight boxer, Solder, Mob body guard, and gun runner for the Israeli haganah.

    KISS(keep it simple stupid)

    Joe
     
  11. pendennis

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    A few more...

    - Always have an exit plan. If you make it too difficult for the enemy to get in, you can't get out.

    - Corollary - Always know when to get out of Dodge. Always know when to get out of Dodge.

    - Incoming fire has the right of way.

    - If it's stupid and it works, it isn't stupid.

    Best,
    Dennis
     
  12. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

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    I was once in a close gunfight, in Vietnam. A NVA soldier walked around a tree on a trail as I was walking in the other direction. We met at about six feet, surprised to say the least. He had his AK at port arms. I had my M-14 hanging from my shoulder pointed in front of me. We both fired at the same time. He is dead, and I am writing this. That incident, comfirmed my belief that he, that is the fasted at "point and shoot" is the winner.
     
  13. motordoctor

    motordoctor Shoji Tabuchi in Branson

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    john love this one. should also be trus when shooting sporting clays or trap. joe
     
  14. comp 1

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    The best gun to have is the one you have on you at the time--even if its a .22
     
  15. Big Az Al

    Big Az Al Well-Known Member

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    Item 8,

    Reminds me of a famus comic skit,

    "I yelled fire when I fell into a vat of chocolate!"

    Why

    WHO would save me IF I yelled CHOCOLATE?

    My dad when he was a COP, and he has said many times to my nieces husband, a COP.

    They don't pay me to loose, they could not pay me enough to loose if they wanted me to!

    Also

    It is hard enough to teach a rokie the sh$$ criminals DO! AND if you have trouble understanding that, TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO A JURY!

    AL
     
  16. remman

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    If you find yourself in a fair fight; your tactics suck.
     
  17. blitzer

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    I think you pretty much covered everything. shot410ga, that's an interesting story. Glad it was you who walked away.
     
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