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Rough year ahead for our sport?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by rcmax29, Jan 19, 2008.

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  1. rcmax29

    rcmax29 TS Member

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    There's been lots of posts already about cost of shooting, but I think we are really at a crossroads heading into 08, and if something doesn't break, it won't be good. Most reading this post will keep on shooting, some will cut back a bit, and a few might come back with the ol' if you can't afford to shoot, go find something else." But for those who care about the growth of the sport, we may have some tough times ahead:

    With shell prices edging closer to $10 / box and lead by the bag seemingly worse, two things could combine to make for a tough year:

    First, at best, most shooters will cut back somehow. Personally, I rarely shoot practice any more [and my scores show it!]; others have cut back on registered shoots [weren't registered targets down about 2 mil. last year?]. As that cutback multiplies, the local club will really start to feel it. Volumes [and economies of scale] will go down at a time when they are facing their own price increases [targets, minimum wage, etc]. So every club will be badly sqeezed, and don't be shocked if a few go under. This one factor alone could really spread through the system.

    Second, growth among new shooters will all but die. With shells for the newbie who does not buy in bulk at $8-9+ and rounds at some clubs at nearly the same price, that's a whole new barrier for someone wanting to stick their toe in the water. Again, the local club gets the hit. At our club, we lose about 20% of our some-time shooters, but we always pick up a like amount, maybe even more, and grow the base. But if the new 20% does not replace the old 20% [this number will get larger by the way], then once again, the local club gets it coming and going.

    Again, us hard cores will figure out a way to keep shooting, but our numbers will shrink, and places to shoot will also start to fall off.

    What to do? First, don't pay these exorbatant prices. This time of year, if you can hold off, hold off. Shop harder, reward the retailer with the best prices. If you're not shooting as much at your local club, figure out a way to support it another way. Make a contribution, sponsor something, etc. Do something that gets money to the club without paying $9.00 a box to do it.

    There is some chance that prices will break. The same vicous cycle that got us to this point could break if gas prices and lead prices break, which many think is already happening. Let's pray that it does.
     
  2. nipper

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    For me i am cutting back other areas:

    1. Smoking--1,260.00 a year savings
    2. Home phone/fax line--720 a year saved-cell phone 100% employer payed
    3. Buring fire wood thru winter,instead of central air running 24/7 savings unknow as of this moment.
    4. Instead of stopping by quick stop for morning coffee making it at home--another 275.00 saved this year.

    2,255 real money not including lower energy bill to be determined later.

    Bill
     
  3. rcmax29

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    I never thought I'd be one of the naysayers, but the spike in cost of shells, for some reason has me really worried. Everything has its price point, and I really think we have either just passed it or are right there. We've survived higher fuel, target and food prices, but this shell / lead thing is really scary. I don't have the answer, other than to hope the law of supply and demand kicks in sooner than I think and we see a price break in time to save the shooting season. Wishful thinking, but what else is there?
     
  4. Chango2

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    I've toyed with the idea of buying a portable trap machine with some friends, going to the desert, and having at it...maybe even setting up informal shoots. I have a truck and generators and why not??? Is that not how offroad motorcycling began? People had no purpose built tracks, so off to natural terrain; at first informally, then formally.
     
  5. Roger IL

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    It very well could be a rough year for a lot of sport.......Roger
     
  6. bigclown

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    rcmax and the Literalist have it right...there are tough times ahead and the sport will not die overnight. The ever-increasing prices of gas, lead, components, shooting fees will take their toll slowly - like being pecked to death by a duck. May take many years. Meanwhile, the next generation of trapshooters - who may never be able to afford or want to pay for a $1500 trap gun and then shelling out more $$ for an afternoon of shooting - are crowding into video game stores and buying the latest video games - their enjoyment comes from playing shooting games on the computer and staying indoors. Hunting is way down - costs and land posted. The good old days are gone...just have to find a way to enjoy what little is left. Best Regards, Ed
     
  7. TX-MX

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    Here in Texas, factory shells at our local Gander Mtn have increased anywhere between 50 & 75% since early fall! Wal-Mart, about 35%. We're all dealing with price increases, but nearly doubling in about 6 months - wow . . .


    The poster above really has a point. There will come a time when these crazy prices will all but shut out most of our fellow shooters.
     
  8. Big Heap

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    "This was going to happen to a lot of trapshooters I know, anyhow.
     
  9. RunGunIPSC

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    At our club we have turned from ATA to league & fun shoots w/potlucks. We draw 3 times # for a 10 week league as ATA shoot. I think the big clubs with really good ATA shoots & facilities will see a decline in #'s but still get along. Keep in mind,there IS a lot of money out there. A huge problem is the competition of other things to do. This has taken away a lot from the ATA. Plus,they do have their head in the sand & insist on it being a certain way. The move to one of the worst anti-gun states is a good example. For myself,I do not chase from club to club like I did 20 yrs ago.
    My age & costs have caught up. I shoot the locals only enough to get the required targets for state. And I refuse to shoot at certain clubs in this state because what they offer especially in the way of saving money & target enjoyment is minimal,ie camping facilities,food,bad targets,etc. Tom Lobonc Hamilton,MT
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    Well, the cost of shooting has me doing more hunting than ever, particularly coyotes, but I also bought a furbearers license this year.
     
  11. Tripod

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    I am going to get back into drag racing and maybe fire up the old escort service I used to have to finance it.
     
  12. crusha

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    (Lobonc, you're alive! Good to hear from an old Boiler.)


    I think there's a reason most of the "real" marksmanship in this country is being done with compound bows, these days.


    When you consider that you're not irretrievably sending an ounce of lead down-range every time you pull the trigger, it's easy to see why.


    I tell you what, boyz, my back-yard archery target is getting wore out...being able to shoot the same ammo over & over again is something I can get used to.
     
  13. Little Dog

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    "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"- Chicken Little

    If there's a problem, Bush should fix it- according to the communist shooters.
     
  14. roper

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    Look at the big picture america is failing. :(

    ROPA
     
  15. b12

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    If wages kept up with increases in prices,( energy, food, insurances, and so on ) I don't think the sport would be suffering as bad but wages did not keep up. Profits were up for most large companies that went across the pond and sent the checks back home to the well to do.

    Education for the young that went to work for the large companies have not had it so easy either. Although their main focus is on numbers to get ahead. The loyality to the American worker is gone. That is not what is being thought about. One thing for sure, if the American farmer makes a 1.00$ he spends a Dollar. He has to or go under and that is in good times. It may look like he has done well in 2007 but he must take his good luck and spend it for 2008. If he does not do well then, well lets see if them tubinheads can eat cheap sand like the cheap food we send over their. Thats the same stuff that we won't use for bargining for oil.

    But as bleak as things seem I thing everyone will wise up and rollup their shirt sleeves and go to it. You will see new energy and will be giviing the finger to the oil. Even if the new stuff is american made and cost more. I think we have learned a lesson that charity begins at home. Bill

    PS I'm no farmer. I could afford it and don't like the hard work.
     
  16. RLC323

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    You look around at an event like the recent Grand and see lots of nice expensive guns, campers, trucks, and carts. You have to wonder how many of those toys are being bought on credit. I would guess over half of the folks you see at Sparta are traveling along on a lot of borrowed money. Maybe home-equity loans, credit cards, whatever. If you recall the Grands of the seventies and eighties (the peak years) I would bet most folks there were spending money that they had saved. Not as many high dollar rigs, less expensive guns, an entirely more frugal approach. Our sport just mirrors the rest of our society. Easy borrowing and instant gratification replaced earning and saving for our wants and needs. Problem is eventually it has to be paid back, and for some, now is that time.
     
  17. grunt

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    A lot of people are out of a job. And bills still will come due. I hope I'm wrong but I believe shooting and other sports will suffer.
     
  18. smsnyder

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    i just got my w2 from my company. 31% plus of my income is taxes and health insurance. It cost me $15000.00 a year for health insurance to insure me and my wife. That is crazy. No wonder no one can afford health insurance.
     
  19. emm2

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    I do some coaching for trap and skeet. It's easy to get someone very interested in the sport but when you explain a registered event you scare the hell out of them. $200 for a shoot, $150 for shell $75 for motel, $100 for gas and $100 for food. If you shoot well and win your classes you may win $2-300. Thats a poor investment. I shoot in Kansas and we just don't have any local skeet shoots, so you have to travel. Trap is a different story, we have a couple good clubs within an hour drive. I just don't see how we can entice new registered shooters into our sport at todays prices. Anyone have ideas I'd love to hear them. Shane
     
  20. RunGunIPSC

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    buzzgun,write to me @ fbrglasbandit@yahoo.com. Maybe you are thinking of my kid. This is the old man. Kid lives in Atlanta now. But then,yes,I am a Boiler
     
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