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Romney lost Iowa?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by wireguy, Jan 17, 2012.

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  1. wireguy

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    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-final-count-could-show-romney-lost-iowa/316366

    From the Washington Examiner:

    MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. -- It's conventional wisdom in Republican circles here in South Carolina that if Mitt Romney wins the state's primary this Saturday -- having already won in Iowa and New Hampshire -- he'll be the GOP presidential nominee.

    "If for some reason he's not derailed here and Mitt Romney wins South Carolina -- no one's ever won all three -- I think it should be over," Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday. "That would be quite a testament to his ability as a candidate and a campaigner."

    But what if Romney did not actually win Iowa? That could change the calculation considerably. And there is a very real chance that the Republican Party of Iowa will announce this week that Rick Santorum, and not Romney, won the Iowa caucuses.

    Results released on caucus night -- actually, at 2 the next morning -- showed Romney won by eight votes, 30,015 to Santorum's 30,007. Many observers assumed that those results were final, especially when party officials said there would be no recount.

    But the results were not final. Even though there is no provision for a recount in the party caucuses, state GOP rules do require that the results be certified, which is nearly the same thing. That certification process began the day after the caucuses and is expected to wrap up this week, yielding a final, official vote tally.

    On caucus night, party officials in each of Iowa's 1,774 precincts were required to fill out what is known as Form E. The form contained the official count for each candidate in the caucus. It was signed by precinct officials on caucus night and witnessed by representatives of the various campaigns. It is the official vote total for each precinct caucus.

    When that work was finished, precinct officials called in the results to party headquarters in Des Moines. It was on the basis of that called-in information that GOP officials announced the winner in the early morning hours of Jan. 4. But as it always does, the process of receiving the results by phone opened up room for error, with the possibility that someone misspoke or misheard the results for a particular caucus.

    Party rules require local officials to send in the actual Form Es within two weeks of the caucus. (They use the U.S. Mail, so it can take a while.) Then state party officials begin counting them from the original documents, and not from the phoned-in results. If there are any differences between the Form E totals and the numbers reported by county officials via telephone on caucus night, the Form E figures, which were approved on the scene, are assumed to be correct.

    In the past two weeks, party employees have been working nearly nonstop to certify the results from each of Iowa's 1,774 precincts. During that time, they have regularly briefed campaign representatives on what's going on. In the next few days, they are expected to finish tallying and certifying the last Form Es and come up with official certified results.

    The final numbers will be different from those released on caucus night. One campaign source says the vote count as of midday Monday showed Santorum ahead by 80-something votes. If that number holds through certification of the last precincts, Santorum will win. Of course, there is always the possibility that some of the final precincts will contain discrepancies that put Romney back on top. It's just not clear.

    What is clear is that the certification process has changed vote totals in the past. In 2008, for example, early unofficial results showed Mike Huckabee winning the GOP caucuses with 40,841 votes. Huckabee's official, certified total turned out to be 40,954. Likewise, Mitt Romney's unofficial 2008 total was 29,949; his certified total was 30,021. Those were small changes that did not affect the outcome of the '08 race. If similar changes happen this time, the winner could be different.

    No one maintains that Romney decisively won the caucuses. But the political conversation requires a winner for each contest, and in recent days the impression has set in that Romney won Iowa; as his campaign says, "a win's a win." Indeed, Romney's Iowa "victory" has become part of the argument for declaring Romney the winner of the Republican race overall.

    But there is another count coming, and it could change the way the Iowa caucuses are remembered. If that happens, could it change the rest of the GOP race, too?

    Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blogposts appear on washingtonexaminer.com.
     
  2. g7777777

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    Spend your time on something beneficial- like getting out the republican vote

    Not on this smoke and mirrors stuff- cospiracy theory- tinfoil hat drooling at the moon stuff

    Unless

    You want the Democrats to win
     
  3. TinMan88

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    GN77, do you vote on diebold voting machines?
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    Um hmmm, the plot thickens. There was some rumbling on the day of the caucus that the phoned in numbers at one precinct were off from the recorded numbers.
     
  5. tom berry

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    almost immediately after the caucus results were formally announced a young man came forward and stated the results from his precinct were incorrect. He had helped in the vote counting and had 21 for Santorum and 2 for Romney. The results listed on the official republican count were 21 and 22 ( a 20 vote ) descrepancy in an 8 vote total difference. The vote count described by the young man was also confirmed by the precinct captain.

    This was all reported in the Des Moines register but the National news could careless about Iowa once the caucuses were done. I'm just glad we won't have to see another political ad for a few months.
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

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    Sounds like vote fraud to me.
     
  7. wireguy

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    I think we should all just relax and vote for the godfather of Obamacare to replace the father of Obamacare. After all, he'll be a Republican and that will make it OK.
     
  8. EuroJoe

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    Who the hell cares? It's a handful of people in either case!
     
  9. porky

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    To the politico's out there, believe me that it matters. It means that Romney's liberal, anti-gun background is starting to show. And the fact that he was the father of the Mass health care bill that helped create the national health care bill, really, really matters. Let's not fund all the illegal immigrants.
     
  10. TinMan88

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    Is it true that the votes were counted in ILlinois.? Why is this?
     
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    Did some of Floridas poll workers assist in the count?? LOL


    Hence the term Flori-duh.
     
  12. RobertT

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    Conservatives need to wake up and stop eating at the media trough. It's obvious that Romney is the stooge being prosleytized by the media to a gullible populace in order to further progressive interests.

    Unfortunately, even professed conservatives, like fast food junkies have become addicted to a progressive diet. As a consequence it appears America is doomed.

    The only hope for a true conservative movement is a Tea Party like attitude stronger than 2010 with a healthy alternative to the diet being fed to the populace.

    Hold the cheese and kool-ade please and pass the tea and biscuits.

    Robert
     
  13. slic lee

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    Iowa has shown the entire world it cannot be trusted to hold an election with honest results.
    They refuse to state even today,that Santorum won. Its a tie even with the absurd loss of votes from 8 districts its a tie.
    Gene, what happened? A harbinger of whats coming.Lee
     
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