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Return to "Welfare as we knew it"..A WAY OF LIFE.

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Don Steele, Jul 15, 2012.

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  1. Don Steele

    Don Steele Well-Known Member

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    Here's the welfare news story Steve Mainus was referring to in his "Welfare Rat" post.
    I request it go into "Political". NO name calling, just the simple facts.
    YOU decide for yourself whether or not it's a desparate bare-faced attempt to buy more votes with your money by Obama:
    USA TODAY
    Richard Wolf

    The Obama administration has opened the door to changes in the welfare system's work requirements, a section of the 1996 welfare-to-work law that Republicans consider sacrosanct.



    The Department of Health and Human Services notified states Thursday that Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would consider waivers "to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

    The welfare law, which went into effect in July 1997 and is celebrating its 15-year anniversary, employed strict work rules and time limits on cash assistance. The law, combined with state experiments of the early 1990s and the hot economy of the late 1990s, helped slash welfare rolls from more than 14 million in 1994 to 4 million today.

    Progress has slowed in recent years, and states have complained about work rules that tie them down in paperwork. So the administration seeks to unleash another era of experimentation.


    "Federal rules dictate mind-numbing details about how to run a welfare-to-work program. Most states and experts agree that these aren't helpful," says a statement just issued by George Sheldon, acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families.

    "Many states report that their caseworkers are spending more time complying with federal documentation requirements than helping parents find jobs. We need state workers spending less time filling out data reports and more time helping parents find employment."



    "States led the way on welfare reform in the 1990s -- testing new approaches and learning what worked and what did not," reads the HHS directive from Earl Johnson, director of the Office of Family Assistance. "The secretary is interested in using her authority to approve waiver demonstrations to challenge states to engage in a new round of innovation that seeks to find more effective mechanisms for helping families succeed in employment."

    Republicans don't see it that way.


    "The Obama administration is proposing to let states effectively eliminate (the work requirement)," said House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich. "This is a brazen and unwarranted unraveling of welfare reform. This ends welfare reform as we know it."

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, agreed states need better ways to get welfare recipients into "activities that promote self-sufficiency." Utah is one of the states seeking changes.

    He said the administration went around Congress by acting alone.

    "This power grab by the Obama administration is not a constructive effort to encourage states to think creatively about how to get more people off of welfare and into productive jobs," Hatch said.

    The lawmakers' criticism followed an initial complaint from Robert Rector of the conservative Heritage Foundation, one of the architects behind the original welfare law, which was a compromise between President Bill Clinton's administration and Republicans in Congress.




    "It no longer has any binding force. It might as well have never been written," Rector said.

    By midday Friday, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was pointing the finger directly at Obama.


    "The president's action is completely misdirected," Romney said. "Work is a dignified endeavor, and the linkage of work and welfare is essential to prevent welfare from becoming a way of life."
     
  2. birdogs

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    I have said it before and I will repeat it now; "universal suffrage will be the downfall of our country". This is really an extension of what Jefferson said about the country ending when people realize that they can vote themselves benefits from the common treasury.

    Once people WHO HAVE NOTHING AT STAKE can vote on matters which place the total burden on those who do, fairness, equity, et al, go out the window and it becomes, "What's in it for me" or "How much can I get and how little will I have to do to get it"?

    The founders had it right - no property, no vote! Liberals and progressives could never win under such a system so they worked hard and long to change it. They played on our generousity and largesse to make us believe that the poor and the disadvantaged should have a say in politics. Tell me how this is different from giving them the keys to the treasury?

    We now have generations of people who have never done anything but nurse at the public teat. They have given rise to a "welfare industry"! They have advocates and lobbyists - AND THEY VOTE!
     
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    ps Obanma's constant circumvention of the Congress violates the letter and the spirit of the U. S. Constitution. If it were not an election year I would bet that he would be impeached. What he has done by "Executive Order" in thye caso of immigration and welfare violate the laws passed by Congress and signed by a President. They are THE LAW! He has done similar things through the EPA, for example. If the Republicans in the House have not or are not drawing up Articles of Impeachment, I would be shocked. If Obama wins in November, and the republicans control the House, these Articles will be brought to a vote. Even if not convicted, his second term would be so toxic that he would be powerless. He would never get another bill through the House and so his legislative agenda, if he had one, would be DOA. This would be our last chance IOF hje gets re-elected.
     
  4. bigdogtx

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    birddogs,,,,,you would have to have R's in the house and senate with a pair in order to do that,,,,,,the crier and mitch are more of the McCain,,,,,,"paid their dues" group.......
     
  5. brett44

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    How will waiving the work requirement create more innovative ways to get people to work? Sounds like we're offering free cake to over weight people to create more innovate ways to diet.

    The government red tapes up everything. Its gotten to the point where the governement wants to do away with everything because their own red tape is too burdensome to achieve an efficient, cost effective result.

    The effect here will be that states controlled by Democrats will soften up the work requirements to gain more votes for Obama and cost the taxpayers more money. Birdogs is exactly right, at some point non productive people enslave the productive people through the ballot box. We're getting way to close to that point.

    Benjamin Franklin said "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner" and "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it".
     
  6. gdbabin

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    "The welfare law, which went into effect in July 1997 and is celebrating its 15-year anniversary, employed strict work rules and time limits on cash assistance. The law, combined with state experiments of the early 1990s and the hot economy of the late 1990s, helped slash welfare rolls from more than 14 million in 1994 to 4 million today."



    and who was President then..... Hint: He wasn't a Republican. Does this mean Slick Willy was a "good" Democrat????


    Guy B.
     
  7. shadow

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    ""The welfare law, which went into effect in July 1997 and is celebrating its 15-year anniversary, employed strict work rules and time limits on cash assistance. The law, combined with state experiments of the early 1990s and the hot economy of the late 1990s, helped slash welfare rolls from more than 14 million in 1994 to 4 million today."


    and who was President then..... Hint: He wasn't a Republican. Does this mean Slick Willy was a "good" Democrat???? "



    NO! It means Slick Willy was drug to the table and handed a pen by Newt Gingrich !
     
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