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RESULTS of shooter survey 2010

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Phil Kiner, Nov 11, 2011.

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  1. Phil Kiner

    Phil Kiner Well-Known Member

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    The summer of 2010 I conducted a survey of shooters that asked some of the questions that are frequently mentioned on this site. The Survey Monkey link above will take you to a summary of some selected responses. 3068 shooters responded.
     
  2. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

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    What I found out was; That most of the survey takers were the club geezer's. As am I.....
     
  3. TjayE

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    Phil, the results from your survey tells us we need a PRO CLASS and MORE YARDAGE. Tom
     
  4. Setterman

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    A lot of conflicting results. Nearly 80% don't play the money because they are not competitive or can't beat the pros, yet they don't want reductions.

    But they also say the options aren't worth the risk

    What do they want?
     
  5. oleolliedawg

    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    We won't need a PRO class if we add more yardage. If you're not carrying a 99+ Singles and 97+ Doubles average why worry about them.

    More concrete!!
     
  6. Jack L. Smith

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    The age skewed answers to Question 6 are the biggest problem facing Trapshootng and the ATA - by far. Not yardages, velocity, or payouts.

    Age demographic marketing - This is where we trapshooters & the ATA need to maximise the application of resources. Locally and nationally.

    Identification, promotion and inclusion of New Trapshooters, younger trapshooters(ATA or not) under age 35.

    By far.

    Far.

    Very far.

    js in PA
     
  7. michmoe

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    I think as any Michigan deer hunter knows,we need more bait!!! After having won our states AA singles I was asked by some non-shooting friends what I won.When I showed them the $10.00 belt buckle and told them there was about $70.00 with it,they almost laughed! There has to be an incentive.Not only that we don't exploit our heroes.Every sport has its heroes and every young lad wants to grow up and be like them.Fame and fortune,best bait there is.We have a lot of "heroes" (Kiner,Stafford,Harlan,Nora,Leo, to name just a few),but how much do we know about them? I think the industrys could be doing a lot more to attract more people to the sport as well.Hell,you can't hardly even get a set of blinders from the shell manufacturers anymore.I think if there could be more money brought into the sport,more shooters would be drawn to it.Maybe having a pro class with the pros shooting for the big money and companys using the pros names to promote their products would be just the ticket.It would give a lot of new potential shooters something to fantasize about.Just my thoughts..maybe I'm wrong..but thats how I feel.
     
  8. cunninmp

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    Good work Phil. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

    Mike Cunningham

    Groveland, CA

    ATA Life Vet
     
  9. Jack L. Smith

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    I would like to amend my earlier post to allow for the non responsive data.

    That is, we can only derive so much from data. We also have to look at what the data does not tell us.

    I feel confident that there are thousands of young trapshooers out there; most did not participate in the survey. In fact, most trapshooters did not participate either.

    We can however, consider Phil's results as a sampling and use the data accordingly.

    If Phil's results mirror the actual universe, (and I believe they do, although without applying any statistical analysis) then;

    1. There are young trap shooters shooters (non respondents) & perhaps they exist in higher percentages than the survey sample shows

    2. We still need to focus on new & young trapshooter development because of the obvious trend in age and participation.


    js in PA
     
  10. minnship8

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    Question #32, about how a pro class should be financed is interesting.

    In pro fishing, whole tournament circuits have been wiped off the map in the current economy. In their place, pro financed circuits have popped up where there is no endemic advertising or manufacturer incentives to help fund the tour. Basically the pro's wind up fishing for other pro's money. These circuits generally don't last.

    The problem is that the overhead doesn't even allow a pro a fair shot to win his own money back over the long run. Pro events need to be financed through corporate sponsorships to the tour (not the individual, that's a separate deal).

    In pro fishing, if you're fishing for the purse, you lose. As a pro, your money needs to be made before the event starts, and then the purse is your bonus, should you win.
     
  11. JRW

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    Hey Moe your club gives better trophies at a small shoot. Jerry
     
  12. plaw

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    18 yd shooter,shooting 9 yrs. ,shoots a k-80 , breaks 97 handicap one day and on grand day breaks 100, and there is a trail of sand all the way home! Its just not a good system.
     
  13. dead on 4

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    I find it odd a large number of people want to spend less and be given more, I guess Socialism is more pervasive than I thought, at least in the trap shooting community.

    The continuing theme is always the same, give larger payouts, better trophies and more of this and that, but don't, don't charge me more to participate, get the money from the gun and ammo guy's they're making zillions aren't they, are they?. And by the way, get the top 27 yard line winner's into thier own class and we'll call them pro's. If they want to shoot for the big money they can dig in their own pockets and trade dollar amongst themselves, I just want a cheap easy path to the winners circle and win big, so get those good guy's outa here..............

    I Find Phils survey very informative, Thanks Phil. First it confirms the bulk of ATA participants are 50 years or older and Sporting clays has a larger following than assumed, they just don't compete in organized events. I'm surprised at the number of Sporting clays shooters who participated in this survey given it's based around trap shooters. I suspect the number is much larger percentage wise.

    Lastly think about this, it would take 15,000 new ATA members to generate the $300.00 Donated by the Mart1n's, bless them......

    If you going to play, you're going have to pay; there's no way around it.....

    Thanks again for your hard work Phil.

    Surfer
     
  14. michmoe

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    Thanks Jerry....We try!
     
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    NSXER,
    I think you may be reading too much into that. The whole print industry across the board is in the crapper. Fewer subscribers, less advertisers...lots of belt tightening going on.
     
  16. spitter

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    I dropped T&F for multiple reasons... I can afford the subscription, but the "content" is meager (other than the couple monthly expert columns) and it never arrived consistently...

    Respectfully, it's the same rehash argument I have with Shotgun Sports... so presently I subscribe to "Shooting Sportsman"...

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    regarding the survey... look at the 1/2 of the respondents that skipped question #3, 2/3 #5; 1/3 skipped #14, #16...

    Forget a Pro Class, that would seem to jeopardize the ATA's 501(c)3. I wish someone would explain why they canned the Industry Class?!

    best regards,

    Jay
     
  17. o-hale

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    I responded to this survey last year, think about this, it what other sport can you compete with the worlds best as an amatuer, it is not about winning a trophy it is about I competed, tied, beat, the very best shooters on that particular day, going to do it every time, no way, but on that particular day you can say "I did"
     
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    I'm sure that my next comment will create some rebuttal, and I'm not necessarily suggesting what O-Hale and many others argue is not technically true...

    But unless shooters end up going "head to head" with the "Big Dog" of their dreams - same squad, same banks, etc... (i.e. shoot off); all anyone is really doing is throwing stones at the guys/gals on top of the heap... you're not competing against anyone but yourself...

    Sure... all 27s get their score in the same category as the BDs, but that's really by circumstance isn't... it's a romantic suggestion to position that every 27 yard shooter is actually competing against everyone else on 27... the real deal is that to get to 27, shooters shot their game, on their days, on their trap fields...

    Real competition involves adversaries (friendly competitors) who truly know and respect each other... The BDs pay no attention to anyone but the select few in their "class"...

    There is no competition, because the BDs have to do nothing to psych out the minions of BD wannabees, aspirers who might be lucky to pull it together on one given day in a lifetime... when all the chips are on the table - while that one "moment in the sun" might make one person's life experience, the BDs will lose nary a moment of sleep to that blip of experience.

    Folks who really want to compete against the BDs would be better off making an astonishing offer of "$x" for a real opportunity to go head to head... then pit your skills and stomach against the "pro" of your dreams.

    Offered with respect,

    Jay
     
  19. ric3677

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    Moe, the singles trophy is suppied by the ATA. If you want to complain take it up with Karla.

    Rick in MT

    I really like my guncase, but what do I do with two of them? :)
     
  20. smsnyder

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    Many changes needed in ATA Rules. Thanks Phil for the Poll.
     
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