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Republican party OVER? Nah, calm down...

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by crusha, Jul 7, 2013.

  1. crusha

    crusha TS Member

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    I see a lot of angst happening on that other thread, but I have a different take. It's not the Republican party that's over...I just the Republican party "as we know it," that's over.


    Which is to say...the Rotary-Club Republican party of G7 and his entitled generation of Buick-drivers, that talked a good game about small government, but never delivered it, has been much-undermined. And it's a good thing.


    The Republican party of today is doing a BETTER JOB of representing small-government ideals than it has done at any time in the lifetime of anyone currently alive on this board. Read that again. It's hard to admit, but the "Greatest Generation," Republicans and Democrats alike, pretty much bought-on to everything FDR said and did, and got man-handled by Tip O'Neill and his Congressional cabal for decades. Ronald Reagan may have talked a good game about small government, but he sure didn't deliver on it. When it came to budgets, he did what Tip and the Democrats _allowed_ him to do. Ronald Reagan was a cupcake on small government. He did props on the Russkies, true, and we owe him for that, and for making "liberal" into a dirty word in public discourse. But on small government? He was Tip O'Neill's bunk mate, and Tip always got the top bunk.


    Is _that_ the winning legacy of the Republican party we want to go back to? Eight more years of George W. Bush - with NOTHING to show for it except two wars and an unpaid credit card bill? Was that the super-productive era of Republicanism which is now "over," and which G7 and Co. want to lead us back to?


    Well, I say, Good Riddance. If that's what you have to be, to win and hold the White House at a statistical occurrence rate of one out of two times, then forget it. I'd rather let the Democrats hold/defend the castle, and let US be the invisible shadows in the woods shooting the flaming arrows over the wall for a change.


    It got the American public a Sequester, something that hadn't happened in 40 years of Tip and Reagan and Bush/Clinton running the show - an actual cut in government spending. We had a huge budget battle, and the Democrats LOST, despite controlling the Senate and White House. The government actually had to spend less. Now, G7 and the disability-seekers will probably say it's the end of the world without explaining why, but truly...is this really so bad?


    For 60 years, the Republicans and Democrats in Washington had a deal worked out between them: the Democrats or "Mom" got to spend as much as they wanted on domestic programs (or groceries), in exchange for letting the Republicans ("Dad") spend as much as he wanted on Defense (BT-99s and AR-15s). This nice little traditional domestic arrangement lasted pretty well, until things changed. The Berlin Wall fell, and Republicans realized they could no longer get themselves elected being the Party of Kissinger, anymore. It was, many predicted, the Demise of the Republican Party.


    Then, wonder of wonders, the Republicans re-invented themselves: Family Values. Aha...why yes! We DON'T just care about foreign policy anymore; we've gotten interested in domestic policy now, and found a foot-bridge to sustain the party into the next century. There was a Domestic Conservative Agenda, complete with a committed fundamentalist voter-base to supply the enthusiasm to drive it.


    But, change being the only sure thing in life, the American Public went and changed, again. We decided we don't care if women marry women, or people smoke pot, or people get divorced and throw their fetuses in trash dumpsters. So the Republicans found themselves back in a familiar spot: on the brink of demise, again.


    Now that the easy-peasy distractions of Foreign Policy, Family Values, and neverending war are no longer productive issues for the Republicans, guess what's left?


    What was that one thing, that Reagan prattled about...um...Small Government! Why, yes...whatever happened to that dusty old shriveled boot, so much talked-about by Reagan - but otherwise completely ignored? Could it be, that now that the Republican Party has nothing left to hang its hat on, it finds itself in the position of having to finally, at long last, pay homage to the one thing it should have been concerned about all along (but couldn't seem to find time for, between fighting wars and worrying what goes on in people's bedrooms)?


    So this, this...THIS is where the Genes and Obamas of the world finally find the white-hot dagger pointed at their asses: a Republican party that talks about small government, and really means it. Government Shutdown? Go ahead, let it happen. Sequester? Goody, we won't compromise, because it's what we really wanted all along, anyway. There's NOTHING in government that can't do with 5% less - heaven knows, most people in the private sector are already doing with less, so, join the club.


    No, folks, our country's in great trouble, but I cannot take as dark a view of this as some. For once in our lives, the Republican party literally has no choice but to do what it should. If it's going to be anything other than an annex of the Democrat Party (and it may well be), there is only one road. Put the country on the path toward fiscal solvency - or change your name to Democrat and go home.


    For once, it's finally out there. The Cold War and Family Values have been subtracted from the Republican play basket. Now, they have no choice, but to occupy the same space as the Democrats on domestic spending, and fight them on their own turf...because it's the only piece of battlefield still left. No more deal-making with Democrats on spending priorities. The Rand Pauls of the world have formed a reliable core group which is antagonistic toward that. It's all on the table now for the Democrats, too: either you win in 2014, or the Sequester becomes permanent. (And remember: low-information soccer Moms don't turn out for Midterms...but gun-owning men sure do).


    This fight ain't won by a long shot, folks, and I'm not optimistic about the future. Obamacare is going to suck. Hillary is going to suck (probably for the first time ever, according to Bill). But there is one ray of light in this, and it's that as we start talking about Immigration, Carbon Taxation, and whatever other crisis the boys on the Hill drop in the box, the Arlen Specters of the world no longer have the uncontested ability to break the tie.


    Cheer up, folks. The Republican Party is greatly diminished, and will never again hold the White House. The Moderate Wing of the party shot their wad in Mitt Romney, and we now see they can't win, not now, not ever. The math of 16 blue states and 254 electoral votes is permanently against us. But the White House isn't everything. And for once in our lives, the B.S. the GOP had been distracting us with to win elections has been cut away, and the part of the GOP that always mattered is all that's left. Good came come of this, if we pay attention, get off our asses and do what needs to be done, and focus like a laser beam on Primaries and Midterms, and the messages of Constitution, Liberty, and Solvency.


    Quitcher bitchin and let's do this.
     
  2. Bisi

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    I would comment but I'm heading out the door to attend the Whig party meeting this afternoon.
     
  3. wireguy

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    When you have been reduced to nothing to fight for but numbers you stand for nothing. At that point, what's the point of winning? America cannot survive as a fiscally responsible but irrelevant and amoral entity.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    <i>"The Moderate Wing of the party shot their wad in Mitt Romney, and we now see they can't win, not now, not ever."</i>

    You mean the Liberal Wing, the RINOs. Like G7x7.

    And yeah, he'll blame the tea party again, because he lacks the intelligence to understand that a lot of people are fed up with liberals from both parties.
     
  5. The Literalist

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    Buzzgun, generally erudite, is wearing a very, very thick pair of rose-colored glasses.

    Nationally, the GOP is a screaming bunch of pseudo-patriots appealing to the rich, angry whites, and the black gun-ophiles. Face it, we whities are dying out in numbers. They'll win some local elections...but won't win nationally until they become more MODERATE!

    As on this site, shrieking about Obama's Satanistic works preaches to the choir...but convinces none who are on the fence or willing to switch parties.
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

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    I hope by "more MODERATE" you mean they will shift from their RINO liberalism to being more conservative.

    There are a lot of RINOs who need only change their party affiliation, because they are virtual Democrats.
     
  7. R.Kipling

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    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” ? Alexis de Tocqueville circa 1830

    America has reached it's tipping point. It will endure as long as the public and the industrialized world can be convinced to maintain the charade. Once the other nations start to implode under the weight of fiat money we will not be far behind. The only question is, "how long that will be". Democracies are not permanent, apparently Republic's aren't either.

    Us "psuedo-patriots' as the resident-liberal puts it, are sandwiched between two classes of parasites. - The 'over-entitled & super-privileged barnacles, and the Treasury-parasites of NGO's, Gov. funded give-aways and socialized healthcare that is being sucked dry by nursing homes, community not-so-non-profit hospitals and health organizations draining the blood from Medicare and Medicaid.

    There is no rational reason that health care costs so much. VA & nursing home CEO's are raking in millions each month while providing minimal, sometimes criminal services - with impunity - They are also being represented by the biggest DC lobby, so some of that ill-gotten lucre finds it's way back into the pockets of congress and their minions.

    Both these parasite classes have found the tit too willing, and too easy to drain. Once they have killed the goose that laid the golden egg, both parties will collapse under the weight of their own dependent burdens. And, they will take us psuedo-middle class suckers down before them.

    The real GOP is NOT 'rich', it is still the breadbasket of middle America. It is the Military, both past and present. It is a Constitution and Bill of Rights observant class. It is the productive - self-sustaining portion of our society. To say otherwise to to have fallen, digitally-demented, for the gutter-trash of the left-wing puppet media that is a festering boil on the ass of this society.

    Here is the reason that the GOP is still predominately white. “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” – Lyndon B. Johnson

    It was the Voting Right Act and Civil Right Act of '68 that made the dependent class even more so. And, what's worse, they sold themselves out for scraps - Cabrini-Green, Hough, Watts? Where were their DNC saviors then, or now for that matter? Safely ensconced behind gated communities and private schools, that's where. When they were presented with the never ending stream of demagog suger-daddies and other-peoples-money, these poor folks instantly forgot that it was the Democrats that had been lynching them for the 100 years prior.

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    There is no "moderate" within the DNC, never has been and never will be. Only intentional deceit and Alinsky rule. Ali Bama and his 40 thieves will feed every fool that gives them a glance. But, Ali will never teach them why to fish. The coddled-class are too shallow to recognize the 'hangman' when they see him.

    IMHO, Kip
     
  8. crusha

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    Don't misunderstand me...I don't _want_ the GOP to win more national elections, at least not in the sense that we normally think of those things happening. We've been there, and it accomplished nothing for us. The GOP pretended to be BOTH moral and fiscally responsible, while doing neither. It won them some elections, sure enough, but they were hollow victories. In the long run, it changed nothing. It just made Republicans "feel good."


    No more feel-good victories. I'm advocating a reduced, diminished GOP, which wins fewer elections, hardly ever holds the Presidency...but makes budget cuts stick and starves the beast. We dying whities are not 75%, or even 60...we are one-third.


    So, accepting reality, let's do the most with our third, and stop selling the country down the road to socialist hell-hole status. If the country wants that, fine, but let the Democrats absorb the accountability for it. For our part, we need to offer the voters an alternative to a future where a gallon of milk costs $170 - even if the voters refuse to understand the alternative or just flat don't want it. We need to stop being the "read my lips" Daddy Bush who raises taxes to pay for the other side's excesses. You raise them yourselves. If you can't get the votes to break the Sequester...then YOU fire the teachers. YOU downsize the military. YOU send the bureaucrats, clerks, staffers, managers, and interns home. YOU Preside over doing what Ronald Reagan said he would do, but never did.


    Remember: Obama signed the Sequester cuts into effect with his own hand.


    See how that works? We make them cut off their own noses. When California towns and cities are chin-deep in stinking trash because they can no longer afford municipal services like garbage trucks, due to gubmint employee pensions...they will cut the pensions, not us. You see, it's not our job, as Republicans, to "make sure the trains run on time," and the gubmint pension funds are flush with cash. That was, and now totally is, YOUR job, good ol' left wing. The good ol' GOP, in our diminished state, should no longer be needed to help you do such things...now should it? You want our help raising taxes to help pay for it? Well, what are you going to offer us in return? (Remember the Sequester negotiations?)


    You mark my words: our third is just a third...but those a-holes NEED it. Why else all this bitchin' about the Tea Party? If we're so unimportant, why all the grief?



    The Sequester negotiations were not a failure. They were a success. The Sequester isn't bad policy; it's good policy. There is not a single, fricking thing that the Federal Government cannot do with 5% less, or more, if the managers can just be forced across the board to have to look for the savings. You see, I don't want the kinder, gentler GOP of Daddy Bush the revenue-raiser. I want the Republican Party of Mad Max, who handcuffs wasteful government employees to the car leaking gasoline, lights the match for them, leaves them a hacksaw...and drives away.


    And this dying old whitey ain't even going to look in the mirror. 2014, folks.
     
  9. wireguy

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    In my opinion we are going to see some Mad Max scenarios in the not distant future.
     
  10. R.Kipling

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    This was recently sent to me by one of the Tea Parties that I belong to. What is interesting about it is that we got a nearly identical assessment of the Democrat party during the Reagan/Bush41 years.

    There have been 35 political parties, of consequence, in our history, 10 of those have been socialist/communist. It's the position and character that matters, not the name. If we demand conservative character, and not reward the duplicitous behavior of our elected representatives with our own apathy, we can recover. But, it takes more effort than ranting on this web site.

    Kip

    "Attached is a new study released just today by The Frontier Lab which details why conservatives are leaving the Republican Party. I have attached it as a PDF. It is a very interesting read, with the main conclusions describing what most of us are experiencing:

    Rejection of “Lesser of Two Evils” Argument

    The rejection of the “lesser of two evils” argument captures event where individuals reach a sort of tipping point where they chose no longer to accept this as a valid principle, and in fact recoil from its use as a reason for them to continue to affiliate as Republicans.

    Articulation of Loss of Hope in GOP

    Former Republicans revealed that they often experienced an emotional exhaustion wherein they no longer felt hope that the party would deliver. This implies that up until disaffiliation, they had retained hope that something would change. The lack of perceived leadership by principle was strongly connected to this loss of hope – were leadership by principle more firmly communicated by the Republican Party, or achieved in actual fact, it is possible that hope could continue to be cultivated and disaffiliation less likely to occur.

    Affiliation with a New Community

    Beyond losing hope and fatigue with the “lesser of two evils” argument, former Republicans often either rejected the Republican community or found camaraderie in a new one prior to disaffiliating. We saw the Tea Party as instrumental in providing a new sense of community, but also conservative talk radio and independent candidates as other avenues to community outside of the Republican label. In this sense alternative conservative or independent communities play a much larger role than education or political action, but instead supplant and weaken ties to the Republican label.

    Incident of Perceived Betrayal by GOP Establishment

    Individuals clearly observed slights to candidates they supported as slights (or worse) to themselves individually. The implications are clear: GOP officials who ridicule or undermine candidates they perceive to be deficient are doing more than internal maneuvering. They are actively promoting the pathway to disaffiliation by some in the Republican community.

    To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "We didn't leave the Party, they left us." It is good to have a study that quantifies what we are experiencing and explains that our reaction is both appropriate and common. Unfortunately, the GOP appears to care less about what is happening and is actually accelerating the activities that drive away their supporters. Please forward to those with similar concerns."

    The Democrat party was highjacked by radicals 20 years ago with the Clinton clan. It's gotten nothing but worse, since then. Personally, I believe that a similar movement is happening within the Republican party. Neither of these highjacking was for the benefit of the nation, it was/is a concerted effort to raid the treasure of our country, for a privileged few.

    Check out the wealth of your elected officials and how it has increased exponentially during their times in office, and directly after. We've entered an era of "tell them lies, and feed them candy" derelict politicians. How long are we going to accept it?
     
  11. halfmile

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    If the old line R pols who are sitting by the trough waiting for their chance to wet their beak again could be done away with, things would improve greatly.

    Tea Party and a few Blue Dog Dems are the light at the end of the tunnel.

    Send Obama a few hundred cartons of cigarettes and hope for the best.

    HM
     
  12. DoubleAuto

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    To start with the Republican Party needs to quit backing John McCain and having him out there as their spokesman. It's a toss up whether McCain or George Bush the First does more to kiss up to Obama (and his sidekick Clinton).
     
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