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Republican party is killing themselves....

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by bigdogtx, Nov 6, 2008.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Never mind the liberal democrats, the republicans are killing themselves. McCain's "advisors" are attacking Sarah. These idiots are trying to cover their butts for running one of the worst campaigns in the history of this country. It was even _worse_ than Dole's. They are just TOO stupid to realize that if it wasn't for Sarah, he wouldn't have gotten HALF the votes he did get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Several have been calling for a third party....we ALREADY have 4....democrats/liberals, rinos, moderate republicans and conservative.

    If we DON'T STOP bickering and realize that MOST republicans are Reagan republicans, and that most of America STILL has conservative beliefs....we will NEVER win a hotly contested election again!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. mizzou

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    Just saw a survey of 200,000 respondents...70% blame Palin for the failure of the election..
     
  3. W.P.T.

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    John McCain blew it and he knows it ... The Campaign that was presented to the people of the United States of America by the Republican party was at best the worst in history ... They made McCain look like a whimp, not a man ready to lead this country ... Sarah Palin was the best thing he had going for him in his bid for the White House, now to be known as "The Crib" ... The best thing McCain did in the entire run for the White House was the speach he gave when he surrendered ... Had he showed the same intensity in the speaches he gave during his campaign he might of won ... Palin/Cindy McCain 2012, but this time do it right ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  4. GunDr

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    McCain couldn't muster up 50 people to attend a rally until Palin showed.

    The RINOs and MSM know Obama will fail, and in 4 years (or less) they do not want to hear the name Palin again.

    The conservative party needs to shut down the open primaries, to prevent the Dems from crossing over and voting for another loser.
     
  5. wireguy

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    Understand this. There is no longer a republican party. It is dead and gone. It committed suicide when it decided to stand for nothing larger than power and getting re-elected. Stop thinking in terms of republicans and democrats. The democrats are about to commit suicide just as the republicans did, and in much the same manner. The entire concept of the republican and democrat parties is no longer valid or worthy of debate. The republican party is gone and the democrat party soon will be too. The only question that remains is can America survive for long enough to reach the same conclusion and shake off the repubs vs demos mentality and return to a system of limited self-government, or will it morph into a soviet style socialist paradise with "them" at the top and everyone else at the bottom. Looking at the history of man, I will sadly place my bet on the latter. The whole idea of a democratic republic in America was an experiment. The experiment has run it's course and we already have an answer. The American people, out of all the potential presidents in the just finished election, chose two leftists, neither of whom represents the ideals of liberty. I think that concludes the experiment and answers the question, can any people long remain free. The answer is NO, because the work involved in being free and self-sufficient is too troubling for the vast majority. Those of us who would be free are just chips on a millrace now, swept along in the foaming rushing waters of the vast majority who are determined to wear the chains of servitude.
     
  6. mercedesman1981

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    I hate to see the republicans turn into a bunch of wimps and cowards. Palin set the campaign on fire, shame on the RNC for not sustaining the momentum. I think we need Newt Gingrich at the head head of the RNC or at least on the next presidential ticket along with Palin if there is ever a chance of becoming a well respected political party again. Maybe the RNC needs to see membership leaving in droves for the Libertarian party.

    Mike
     
  7. halfmile

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    The naysayers will blow a 3rd party out of the water, or 3rd party movements will self destruct in a divion among all the existing 3rd party factions out there now.

    I go with Libertarian so far, most people haven't even read the platform.

    I have to say most of our problem, if you want to dig deep, comes from moral decay.

    Many things that are "Issues" now (abortion, gay rights, single parents etc) were not tolerated when I was young, or at least in the case of welfare, stigmatized.

    History indeed does repeat itself. Go read Fitzgibbon.

    HM
     
  8. birdbuster

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    I think the Democrats HOPE Palin runs in 2012. She was a cancer to the campaign. McCain started slipping 1 week before the economy took a dump. This coincides with her interview with Couric, where she was exposed as a liability to the campaign. I understand the energized thing....that wears off. But we don't need a fricking cheerleader. We need a LEADER that won't be far right. Gonna have to be middle-right to get elected now. Hopefully, that will be their focus as they move forward to 2012. I wish guys would quit thinking with their penis and use their brains. NO PALIN!!!!!!!!! You can find a cougar/milf anywhere. Just don't want a dimwitted one running our country.
     
  9. highflyer

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    We need to purge the party of the moderates that are killing us. Like McCain. If you sit in the middle of the road you get run over. McCain just got run over.
     
  10. EuroJoe

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    Clever Alaskans re-elected the criminal Ted Stevens again. He'll brobably be thrown out of the senate, the right move is for Sarah to appoint herself to fill his spot, she'd do abetter job for us in the senate than running for national office.
     
  11. larryjk

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    The network that has the byline for hating Sarah Palin is CNN. They have taken it to themslves to badmouth her at every turn. They are scared of her, and well they should be. McCain should have booted the first bas---d that shot off his mouth to CNN. He did not run a campaign designed to win, but Sarah wanted to try. Did she know everything she might have before being selected? Probably not, but then, how many of the smart a-- reporters could answer their own questions!
    She will not disappear, because she has too much character. The campaign managers want someone to blame for screwing up. They should look in a mirror.
     
  12. BuckGuru

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    wireguy,

    excellent post. Unfortunately, I think you are right.
     
  13. bigdogtx

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    Mizzou, hopefully those 200,000 can explain why this was the LOWEST turnout of republicans since 1980....hhmmmmm


    halfmile, unfortunately you are so correct. Just look at where the blue states get their info and it is mostly Hollywood where the '60's generation still think of free love and the like. They are even coming up with a television, yes television, show where they take a porn "star" and try to run a business. They promote the gay lifestyle as "normal", sorry it is not. Even the voters of California say that it is NOT. Now they are going to get the courts to say it is. This was why it is so important to have Constitutional judges and not activists.

    birdbusters, if the "handlers" would have let her be herself, we would have seen an etirely different outcome. Just look at how she was maligned and the MAJORITY was due to her appearance. They couldn't talk about her views, as they are what the views of most of America are. Just look at the posters here calling her a pole dancer, cheerleader, etc. SHOW me any other politician that holds an 80% approval in the state that elected them. I would REALLY like to know who that may be. BTW, the ONLY landslides in recent memory was by Ronald Reagan and HE WAS NO MIDDLE RIGHT republican. He was pro-life, small government, pro military, personal responsibility, high personal integrity. Just which of these values should we waiver on to come to the middle???? Jim
     
  14. birdbuster

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    Palin also had it easy in Alaska with the budget, where she grew the govt. and had tons of oil money pouring in to to it with. Now that oil is less than half what it was, let's see how she does. Another person who fell into a lucky situation (Obama, Palin), and you want her to run our country?! Not me. There are plenty of other Republicans who we can put our energy behind. I hope she retires to her igloo.
     
  15. bigdogtx

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    Put forth the names of the "plenty of other Republicans". We need to start vetting them right now. If we don't we won't be ready for 2012.
     
  16. slide action

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    You stupid @$$ idiots crtiticising Palin are fools! If Palin hadn't joined the campaign it would have been an empty train leaving the station! McCain gained by bounds after it happened. If he had picked almost anybody else it wouldn't have been NEARLY as close. The sorry Rinos want to blame her and the Commiecrats are afraid she will run again. If the Republicans do win in 2012 it will be after this socialist moron bankrupts the country and the Obamanits realize that their "chosen one" didn't deliver his zanado promises and not because the idiots in this nation got any smarter! The Democrats are mostly a "give me" bunch and don't give a rats about real issues. The Republicans had better quit trying to pander to the left wingers and get back to being true CONSERVATIVES. Palin was the only TRUE CONSERVATIVE on the ticket! She was an evagalical Christian,Pro Gun, Pro family, Pro life,Pro military, Conservative. Everything the RINOS and COMMIECRATS hate!
     
  17. cubancigar2000

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    Palin has more experience than Obama but she lacked his speaking ability. I said the same thing that WPT said here, the only thing John said in any of his speechs that was impressive was his speech conceding defeat. Yes, it was a lame campaign and we all know the liberals really did not want to look into anything. You have the hispanic, gays and people of color for Obama plus nobody wants the war to go on, End result, McCain had no chance zero nada.
     
  18. Bruce Specht

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    Let's get real here, McCain was and is to old to be President,I'm sorry about that but thats how it is! Sahra limited as it is, still has more executive branch experience than any of the other canidates in the election. McCain needed to be far more agressive than he was even then he would not have won. History dictates that after 8 years the white house changes hands at least recent history. People voted aginist Bush McCain need to distance himself from Bush in a big way and didn't. Politically the Democrats just played better and harder than the Republicans. I know manay thing Bush did a poor job but let me point out that; after 911 there were no more attacks on our soil, his idea of dealing with illegal aliens is vialbe and very workable, his helat care ideas of limiting the size of malpractice awards and letting associatons of small companies turn in to groups in an effort to reduce insurance cost are all good ideas. Small minded people that want everything done for them, and paid for by taxpayers (Democrats) with no vision don't see the big picture.
     
  19. SeldomShoots

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    Sorry fellas, this wasn't McCain's or Palin's fault. McCain should have voted against the $700 billion bailout and it could have helped him. However, the bottom line is that too many people in country were fed up with Bush/Cheney. Those two created too big of a hurdle for any Republican to overcome. I've said it once and I'll say it again, Bush/Cheney set the republican party back about 80 years to the way people felt in 1929 with Hoover.

    John Ertel
     
  20. pendennis

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    The Republicans and Democrats will probably go away sometime after 2012; maybe by 2016. The rift between conservatives and liberals is so great, that there's little, if any room for negotiation, and the so-called moderate Republicans have already compromised their core values in a vain attempt to get along with an increasingly liberal Democrat party. The Dems have moved so far to the left, that the center looks conservative to them. Don't expect Obama to rule (yes, rule, not govern) from the left. He's a socialist/collectivist, who's also an empty suit.

    There need to be huge changes in the selection process for the next election cycle.

    First - Close the primaries to everyone but registered Republicans. No Dems, and especially no independents. If you want to be a Republican, and believe in what the party believes, then register and support the party and its candidates. No one outside the party gets to vote in the primaries. And the books close at the end of 2011 to anyone who isn't a registered Republican by then (coming of age voters excepted).

    Second - Eliminate any candidates coming from the Senate or House. The members there are not leaders. They're compromisers. They stand for nothing. They don't have to do anything but hide behind the legislative leadership. They're the worst examples of the coined word "sheeple". McCain is the perfect example of a hack politican who was never a leader. Bob Dole was the same way in 1996. The gubernatorial offices are where leaders are bred.

    Third - Eliminate these idiotic caucuses in Iowa, New Hampshire, and other states. Put elections in the voting booth, and not where people can be intimidated by party bosses and the press. The secret ballot should be the rule for all elections. Run the nomination process firmly.

    Fourth - Attack all the time. Do not give Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al., any time to rest or recover. Every mis-step, mis-speak, and and screw-up must be blared loud and long.

    Fifth - Flood the internet. Use the blogs for Republicans, like the Dems have done for the past two Presidential elections.

    Sixth - Use the courts. Everytime there is a hint of election or party scandal, sue the appropriate state, county, city, or Federal unit. Don't expect the press to be a friend. No negotiations.

    Seventh - Infiltrate the very base of the party and run out the liberals. Take over the city councils, zoning boards, boards of education, and party machinery. The victories do not start at the top.

    Eighth - Stop "reaching across the aisle". This is "lib speak" for caving in. Remember the "education bill" that GW let Drown 'em Ted write. Little more than a month later, you would have thought that GW had assassinated JFK, the way Teddy talked. Don't forget about McCain-Feingold. McCain bargained away First Amendment rights, and made it almost impossible for challengers to make inroads against incumbents.

    Keep forefront in your mind that when you vote for someone who promises you others' money or property if you vote for them, then you have become part of the problem. If someone wants to exercise "rights", and it causes you pain, money, or property, then it's not a right.

    The foregoing are but a few of the first steps to be taken. Most Americans have a conservative bent. We pull the wagon, and expect everyone to help. What is wrong with that?

    Dennis
     
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