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Republican "debate", Fred Thompson

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  1. smokerz

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    Republican debate, Fred Thompson

    swirling the bowl. Somebody's pushed the flush handle on ole Freddie-Boy.
     
  2. cdconley

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    I think he's ok, but a long shot and not my number one pick. There are a few big issues that I have not been convinced he'll address.

    My preference in order.

    1. Mike Huckabee

    2. Duncan Hunter

    3. Fred Thompson

    4. Mitt Romney

    5. Tom Tancredo

    6. Alan Keyes

    7. Sam Brownback

    8. Rudy Giuliani

    9. John McCain (the liberal from my State)

    10. Ron Paul

    BTW, I think I’ll be disappointed with the eventual nominee, but before supporting these guys everyone needs to go to their web sites and get an idea of what they stand for.

    Why I like Huckabee, top three issues in order.

    1. He is demanding energy independence (very obtainable) within eight years. This for no other reason is a security and strategic must and he puts this as a very important issue, unlike the others.

    2. He is for border security NOW and against amnesty in any form.

    3. He wants to fight the war a different way, to win.


    Just my 2 cents worth.
     
  3. cdconley

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    Waterhouselake,

    Thanks for the info but I'm still staying with my list. I have heard Huckabee talk on several venues, I have read his statements on the subject and believe what he says and I’m convinced that he wants our border secured.

    On the other hand your guy (I assume) Tom Tancredo (who I have great respect for) does not even address on his website under “issues” the most important issue of our time regarding national security and the economy. I put the issues that I am picking a candidate by in the order of importance to me. The number one issue that we face today, the issue that will allow us to continue as a world superpower and economic leader is energy independence. When we (and its a must do) achieve energy independence our economic success will be set, our strategic security within the world will be set. The issues we face from hostile nations we now have to bow to will disappear. Countries like Iran will crumble economically and the governments that emerge will be begging us for investment dollars. The key to economic and security strength lie in energy, we lose in this area and Mexicans will have no reason to come to what will be a broken country. Before Tom moves up on my list he’ll have to convince me that we’ll be energy independent before he leaves office. The reason that Tom is 5th on my list is because he seems to be ignoring the number one issue of our time and is happy being a one issue guy on an issue I rank as second in importance. Although I do believe he is the strongest candidate on this issue, I’ll agree with you on that point.
     
  4. smokerz

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    **Before Tom moves up on my list he’ll have to convince me that we’ll be energy independent before he leaves office.**

    I agree, energy independence is very important.

    There is no one running from either party who has a clue as to how to make us energy independent in 8 years.

    Energy independence will take lots of major actions, not just a few baby steps and tax breaks for ethanol producers.

    Ethanol is a joke. If we planted border-to-border and coast-to-coast, we couldn't grow enough corn. Besides it takes 1.3 gallons of diesel to make one gallon of ethanol. This is just more pork for the farm lobby.

    We need 300 new nuclear power plants. There won't be even one new one on line 8 years from now. None of the 18 candidates running for president is even talking about nuclear power.

    We need a doubling of CAFE standards. Neither political party has the will to increase CAFE by even 25%.

    We beed to mine more coal and convert it to liquid fuels. The Germans fueled the Luftwaffe and the Panzers with liquid fuel from coal, but we are doing nothing. Why? Because it would cut into Exxon-Mobil profits?

    You've got it right, cdcloney, but whether Hillary or Fred or Ron Paul, or Mike Gravel is the next president doesn't matter. Not one of them will make the tough choises because if might offend their "base".

    8 years from now we'll be sending even more dollars to OPEC. And we'll be screwed.
     
  5. Rico46

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    I was hoping for a much bigger splash from Fred Thompson. He carry's himself largely on stage and is quite articulate but he is carrying past congressional baggage that will be a constant issue.

    I agree with CD in that Mike????? seems the most credible. The problem may get down to name recognition and or "known ability." We all know what Hillary stands for but I'm betting most Republicans know little about Mike Huckabee, let alone the average citizen!

    Rick
     
  6. Bullheaded on SKB

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    Rico why don't you just surrender and join us? Bush and republicans got us in enough trouble. Clinot or Obama will do a better job than Bush. Buddah and me will keep working on you. its only a matter of time and you will be one of us.

    Tom
     
  7. cdconley

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    Bullhead,

    You are absolutely right about Bush. He has acted too much like a democrat and has done as bad a job as any other liberal would do. So how is going to a more liberal A.H. going to help us out?
     
  8. cdconley

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    Bullhead,

    If you're interested in why Bush’s approval ratings are in the thirties, please let me explain.

    40% of this country hated him before they even knew him just because he was a republican.

    20% that are normally identified as Independents that are relatively conservative by nature, have turned on him because he’s too far left.

    10% are conservatives that are so fed up with his liberal stance on things like border control and spending that they want him out as badly as anyone else.


    The reality (unfortunately for you) is that of the last 30% I listed they are tired of him not because he’s a republican, but because he’s been acting more like a Democrat. Those peoples reaction at voting time will not be to go left as you would like to think just because they don’t like Bush. They will be looking to make sure we go further to the right.
     
  9. Setterman

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    cd...I hope your right. I for one am not interested in living in the Socialist States of America.
     
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    Setterman,

    Me too. I always find it amusing that the things that the left find to hammer Bush about are things he takes right out of their playbook. Comical to say the least.
     
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    Like or don't but the damacrap party has a socialist agenda. They want the working person to give the government all their money and they will redistribute it as they deem necessary. TAKE FROM THOSE THAT WORK AND GIVE TO THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO. Right out of the Communist Manifesto.

    Rock

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    Hey Joe

    I agree 100% with you. The damacraps don't see it that way though. They see it as we are all of a sudden backing them. And all we did was tell the republicans to get back to their base and their forget about damacrap views of how the government is everything..

    Rock

    Jim
     
  13. Rico46

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    Tom, don't waste your time trying to recruit me. Your better off trying to recruit CD Conley and you see what he thinks of you! Time for you and Buddah to get off underneath the Dumbocrat party and join us Republicans for victory next January!

    Rick
     
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    Bush administration , my hero;s , undeniable some of the finest military/ political minds of the fifteenth century , B.C. that is.Debate my ass , what a bunch of losers, this is the best the Rebub;s could come up with ,fakes phonies and flip flopper's.This party;s turned into the laughing stock of the country, and left all the doors wide open for the Dems.
     
  15. Bullheaded on SKB

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    With the eneergy costs getting higher, credit issues on walstreet now out of control and the war continuing to escalate the republicans have tyaken us from a nearly balnaced budget to a fiscal mess. Bush has been a distater and the other republican candidates offer no clear cut message for the future.

    This country is about to get new leadership that will fix soem of these current problems and address future energy issues. Vote Democrat in 2008!

    Tom
     
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    Bullheaded,

    Interesting that you used the word "surrender". Are you practicing for some confrontation the you and your party have no guts for? Sometimes the truth just slips out accidentally. With the Dems, that's the only way you will hear it.
     
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    Just think how bad of we would be if the ems would have had their way the last 8 years. It can and will get worse if the dems get complete control.
     
  18. cdconley

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    Bullheaded,

    The following statement you made was a joke right?

    "This country is about to get new leadership that will fix some of these current problems and address future energy issues. Vote Democrat in 2008!"

    Because if it wasn't, you’re going to need to explain how blocking drilling in ANWR has helped the energy issue. Or how blocking building of any new refineries for the past 30yrs has helped the energy issue. Or how blocking and restricting Nuclear power development has helped the energy issue. Or perhaps how blocking development of fuel from Coal and Shale has helped the energy issue.

    The Dems have one goal regarding energy. They want us to stop using it. They don't want new sources because that won't help them reach their goal of having no oil burnt at all. Global Warming is the scam they came up with to suck federal grant money out of our pockets. Billions are spent (of our money) so that the academics can save us from petroleum. They don't want sound energy policy because us tapping into the 250yr supply of untapped petroleum fuel we have in this country will slow the flow of cash that we give them to save us from oil and global warming.

    Wake up. None of the democrats are pushing for anything that will create energy independence. Hillary's answer is to spend money saving us from oil and global warming. She proposes to DOUBLE REASEARCH on green fuel (see above for motivation) She wants to "TRANSFORM our economy from a carbon based system to a GREEN SYSTEM" she wants to put 20 billion in grants to carmakers for green cars. She wants to spend 50 billion for a strategic (GREEN) energy fund. EVERYTHING IN HER BS PLAN has to do with spending money (OUR MONEY) and it will do nothing but keep the ECO NUTS that live on research money going and will kill the economy.
     
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    Very perceptive of you, cdconley, and quite correct. The liberal assholes just want to take all our money then make us beg to get a little back. They want us to drive puny, useless autos while they drive their SUVs and fly in their private jets.
     
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    cd, once again you hit it on the head. All the Dems blame Bush, but I've not heard a workable solution to any of the so called "problems". I'm not sure there really are any problems that we haven't dealt with in the past, except for a some middle east nuts possibly getting some nukes, and don't think, no I know, none of the Dems have the gonads to protect our best interest on that deal. If their so great, lets see a REAL plan layed out that fixes all the problems. Even HRC said she could not guarantee troops would be out in any given time frame, and she's part of Senate that approved sending them (but has conveniently forgotten).
     
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