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Replacement shooter in $100k event at the Grand

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Nuts, Aug 13, 2010.

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  1. Nuts

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    If the shooter in question is excluded the from the $100k special event because of IDNR action or banning rather than ATA suspension. Then I would think the ATA has to call his name at the shoot off, and then label him as a no show. Making the shoot-off a 9 person competition.

    Don't see any other way. Given those circumsatances.

    How do you see this playing out?
     
  2. markdenis

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    I would say the ATA will do what ever they want.

    Mark Rounds
     
  3. VNVET

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    Nuts,
    The ATA can disqualify him from the entire program, reguardless of any events he may have won. At least that's the way I read the rules. I don't know if any such action has taken place by the ATA. It would seem reasonable that if the IDNR has banned him from the grounds then your scenerio seems plausable. The ATA may choose to let it play out that way and let the IDNR take the heat.

    This entire situation is regretable and a black eye on the Grand and trapshooters in general. It saddens me greatly that this happened and I think Hofer will regret this for the rest of his life.

    Jim
     
  4. chipking

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    It appears that the young man has been removed from the list for the challenge and the next best qualifying shooter has replaced him in the shootoff. This quote from a shooter on Shotgunworld.com who is there. I have x'd out the names from the post.

    "I was just told that xxxxx was aparently charged only with game code violations and ejected from the grounds. He has been replaced on the list of $100,000 Challenge qualifiers by xxxxxxxxx.

    Others in the group are reportedly appearing in court today on criminal charges (possibly felony) for damage to property on the sporting clays range."

    --- Chip King ---
     
  5. markdenis

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    The ATA official website lists all qualifiers with no changes.

    Mark
     
  6. chipking

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    Mark I just got off the phone with the ATA and then Sparta Tournament Directors office. The young man has been replaced as I stated above. There is a committee at Sparta working the issues, the ATA Official site is incorrect currently.

    --- Chip King ---
     
  7. markdenis

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    Chip

    Thanks for the current info.

    Mark Rounds
     
  8. Bisi

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    The "Trap and Field" website has replaced the young man with someone else on their list of 100K shooters.
     
  9. smsnyder

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    That's a shame once in a life opportunity to win a $100,000 gone for young man .
     
  10. Bisi

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    Yes it is a shame. I was wondering how he would do in the shootoff. Would being that young be a help or a disadvantage? Maybe he doesn't know how hard earning a 100K is so he wouldn't be nervous.

    An adult shooter in his 30s,40s, or 50s might look at that 100K as being the ticket to pay off the mortage. That would make anybody nervous, but if you were young and never had a mortage????

    Just think being a teen and winning a 100K. He could of went back home to SD and probably purchased a small house outright. 18 years old and your house is paid for. Or he could of stuck the money back and let it compound for 30 years and see what it is worth when he was 45!

    Real shame
     
  11. Nuts

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    Or better yet, paid for college.

    It was a 1 in 10 chance, so not a for sure.

    he will eventually learn that the "what if's" in life are many, and it really doesn't pay to dwell on those for very long.
     
  12. Aggie.

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    I believe Harlan Campbell turned down the chance, so next in line is Tim Reed. He is now in the 100k shootoff. Campbell said he didn't feel right taking that spot. Heck, he will probably win one of the last two handicaps.
     
  13. 870

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    half oz:

    Just to keep it straight, it doesn't really say it "is for winners" only. The next best eligible shooter available is going. Why complain?
     
  14. jhunts

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    There is only one shooter who earned the spot to be in the 100k challenge. I am (not that it matters) with Nuts on this one. What if there was a real, no show. Would they start calling names of the people who shot that day until they found one that was at or near the site. Would they draw another name from the hat.
    If that is true about Harlan, and his thinking was, I did not earn the spot. Respect for him in my eyes and my sons, just went up a million fold. It was high already as he gave my son a gift after I helped him with his trailer a few years ago, but now. WOW.
     
  15. 870

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    What if I win tomorrow after shooting only the GAH, and Harlan comes in second. Are you guys going to say he doesn't deserve to shoot for the money?

    It doesn't really matter what you think, since again it does not say the winners shootoff. It says there will be one shooter from each handicap event plus a lucky shooter. The eligible shooters from the events are clearly not limited to the winners. They also clearly say the committee has final say in the matter, so they are within their rights to pick the highest eligible shooter available.
     
  16. Nuts

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    that's interesting it seems Harlan has made a rather strong statement by his actions.

    A man of principal, much to be admired, agree or not, he has taken a stand, regardless of the money at stake. The man has just gone up 20 clicks in my books.

    Young shooters pay attention!!! You have witnessed a poor example of conduct this week...and now you have witnessed a great example of intergrity and principal. Start taking notes,, talk to your parents about this and what it really means.

    WOW

    Oh if Jimmy Robinson, or Nash Buckingham, or Gene Hill were here to write about this, what a story it would be..
     
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    Rick:

    Nobody has said yet that the ATA is preventing him (at least here). The IDNR banned him.
     
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    Is the shootoff an ATA sanctioned event? If not why can't he shoot?
     
  19. jhunts

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    If you only shot the GAH you would not qualify. You must have shot 4 handicap events to qualify. Yes, Harlan would get the nod as he is the highest qualifying score, he would have earned the spot. Or, of the group of qualified people to shoot the Challenge, he was the winner.
    Anyway, good luck to all the people that enter the Challenge.
     
  20. chipking

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    Capt Rick If you will note the reference to charges for his pals were from a quote on another website. What I read is that his buddies shot up an outhouse and some boxes of targets. What is the level of offence for willful destruction of state property in the state of Illinois. I don't know. If you want to believe that he was eliminated because he was a threat to Leo please feel free. His immature actions EARNED him the suspension. If I chose to shoot a goose, rabbit or squirrel at any of our registered shoots I would be banned and escorted from the property immediately why should he be handled any differently.

    --- Chip King ---
     
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