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Remington showdown with Bloomberg/New York

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Brian in Oregon, Mar 26, 2012.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Apologize for my ignorance of not following the news, is this "micro stamping" on the cartridge case only, not the projectile?
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    Yes, the case or primer would be microstamped, mostly likely by the firing pin.

    One very serious issue with this is that it will preclude being able to replace a broken firing pin. A replacement firing pin could take months to procure, at who knows what cost, while a special replacement pin is made with the same number.

    And not only would the cost of the gun go up to pay for the technology, but this is a patented process, so there are royalty fees and patent rights. In fact, this could be used to drive small gun makers totally out of business.

    And, what is to prevent someone from obliterating their firing pin marking? If it is metal it can be polished away.

    And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that in order to prevent this scheme from being thwarted that at some point firing pins may have to be altered so that replacement firing pins already in circulation cannot be used on the new guns.

    And the frosting on the cake will the gunowners in the states adopting this will find themselves restricted to only those firearms meeting the new criteria.

    At least Remington is finally getting politically motivated. All too often gun makers have either sat back and done nothing, or in some cases aided and abetted the anti-gunners through stupidity, greed or appeasement.
     
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    I got an email today from the NRA and it stated that the New York budget was passed WITHOUT the Micro stamping provision. Remington and Kimber both were very opposed to this foolish idea, it was removed from the budget in committee.

    Oscar
     
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    Well, that's good news at least. Right now it's bad enough. To buy a new handgun in NY, it has to come with a fired casing that gets turned over to the state police. If the manufacturer doesn't go along with this and include the casing (as in the case of Remington) the FFL selling the handgun has to get the gun to one of a few state police labs where they fire the gun and get the casing. Guess what, that just causes delay and additional expense.

    Some dealers (Gander Mtn) won't do this extra step, so you end up with the strange situation where Remingtom makes the R1 .45 in Illion NY, and Gander advertises it on sale in the flyers they mail in NY, but with "not available in NY or MA" in small print. Makes a lot of sense.
     
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    The biggest gripe of all is that almost invariably that these anti-gun states foist anti-gun laws on law-abiding citizens but then they exempt law enforcement.

    What manufacturers and distributors ought to do is band together and inform states that they will not adhere to an exemption. If a citizen in that state cannot own a certain gun or accessory, then they will not sell same to the police nor will they warranty or service it should the police obtain it from other channels.
     
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    Did Mayor Bloomberg gave a relative commit suicide and he blames it on the gun?
     
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    So, criminals will have to use revolvers to avoid leaving their fired case? This is silly.
     
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    The three stooges of NY;

    Schumer, Bloomberg, Kelly

    That says enough of where the Problem lays!
     
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    Timberfaller, don't forget the ignorant masses who keep electing these clowns! If people would just smarten up a little, the idiots currently making our laws would have to look for honest work. Ooh, what a concept!
     
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    Steve W, quote: <i>"So, criminals will have to use revolvers to avoid leaving their fired case? This is silly.</i>

    Way back when the first caseless ammunition sporting rifle went into production, columnist Jack Anderson declared it would be the gun of choice for sniping and murder since there would be no shell casing left at the scene. He was trying to whip up public support for some jackass in congress who wanted to ban it. I mentioned to an NRA rep here that there is no difference between it and a revolver, which is seldom reloaded at the crime scene, taking the empties with it. He thought perhaps that was something best kept quiet since the idiots in congress might want to ban revolvers. I countered that irony is they were trying to ban semi-autos, which they should embrace because they fling their casings all over a crime scene.
     
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    Brian, that's exactly what I meant.

    Come to think about it, based on what I just read in this thread, the tip of the firing pin is the key component in this micro stamping idea. Anyone with a file can modify it. Or just get another pin.

    Now criminals who want to stay with semi-autos will have to learn how to change firing pins before they learn how to shoot. That's a big progress in gun control. LOL.
     
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    But hey...to liberal-arts type people who read technology magazines and believe in Global Warming...this probably sounds plausible! They don't know what they don't know.
     
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