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Remington 1100 vs. Remington 11-87

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  1. Mr Newbius©

    Mr Newbius© TS Member

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    Ok ... what is exactly the difference between the 2 guns.

    I know the barrel and the gas ports/piston seal end is different.

    I know that the magazine tube is different as well.

    I know that the receiver is cut differently to accommodate a 3" (or 3-1/2" shell).

    What else is the major or minor differences?
     
  2. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

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    Do a search. Brian in Oregon has answered this to a fairly detailed degree in past posts.
     
  3. School Teacher

    School Teacher Well-Known Member

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    Brian can provide a wealth of technical differences.

    My 11/87 Premier Trap, circa 1987, with it's over bored barrel, is slightly heavier and has a different feel than my wife's 1978 1100 TB. The 11/87 is noticably heavier ahead of the receiver.

    Both have 30" step rib barrels but are really two different guns.

    If you are used to shooting an older 1100, the 11/87 seems heavier and slower.

    Both are a pleasure to shoot.

    Ed Ward
     
  4. hmb

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    The difference between 1100 and 1187 is 87. HMB
     
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    HMB


    The difference could be a negative 87.

    Ed Ward
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

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    The 1187 can shoot and cycle light 2-3/4" to heavy 3" shells in the same barrel.<br>
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    The 1187 Supermag can shoot and cycle medium 2-3/4" to very heavy 3-1/2" magnums in the same barrel. (It does not cycle reliable with all but the heaviest trap loads, and even then some guns are iffy. The Supermag was never designed as a trap gun.)<br>
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    1187's can do this because they have a pressure compensated barrel. If the gas pressure exceeds a certain amount, it is vented instead of driving the bolt at a destructive velocity. 1100's lack this pressure compensating system. (See footnote.)<br>
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    The 1100 standard can only shoot and cycle light to moderately heavy 2-3/4" in its barrel. It's possible to shoot "baby magnum" 2-3/4" in it, but the bolt velocity will be higher. Some field barrels take this into consideration and have their gas port size adjusted accordingly.<br>
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    The 1100 Magnum shoots and cycles heavy game load 2-3/4" up to 3" magnums in its barrel. With a standard barrel installed, it will shoot like the 1100 standard above.<br>
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    The 1187 is more versatile for all around use, especially for the field.<br>
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    The 1100 arguably makes a better dedicated use gun for target shotgunning.<br>
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    Most 1100 12ga guns made today are a hybrid, using the 1100 gas system, but with an 1187 bolt. They may have problems with earlier 1100 barrels because the extractor slot is too narrow. The remedy is to open it up with a file, evenly on both sides of the slot.<br>
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    Physically, the gas chamber (what most people call the barrel hanger) is different. The 1187 has a second set of gas ports that vent to the air. The gas rings themselves are the same (though they are made in early and late styles). The o-ring indexes in slightly different locations on the magazine tube. According to Remington, the barrels are not interchangable between the 1100 and 1187. Sometimes they can be interchanged, and some types more successfully than others. But it's rolling the dice.<br>
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    Another physical difference is that the 1187 mag tubue is stainless steel. This is more suitable for field use, like in the rain or salt marshes. The 1100 still uses a blued carbon steel mag tube. This is said to last longer for target shotgun use, but you should be so lucky to shoot enough shells where you MIGHT see this difference. It's not a common problem by any means.<br>
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    Buttstocks are readily interchangable. Forends are generally are not, with the exception of factory synthetic forends, which is a universal design. There are always exceptions, but the best rule is not to mix parts.<br>
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    As for which gun is better, that's highly subjective. For field use, I think the 1187 is. For target shotguns, it is my opinion that the 12ga 1187 with a trap barrel is a bit softer shooting than an 1100 Trap model, but a trap gun made from an 1100 Magnum is the softest because it has a heavier action sleeve. For 20ga, both the 1100 and 1187 have low recoil, but the 1100 definitely is softer than the 1187. As for reliability, I see no difference between them, with the exception of the Supermag, which had some teething problems with parts breakage. I hope Remington has addressed all that by now.<br>
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    Note: Some 1187 barrels are not pressure compensated. These are target barrels designed for light loads (trap, skeet and sporting clays), turkey barrels, slug barrels, and defensive shotgun barrels. Because these are specialized use barrel, Remington felt the pressure compensating system was not needed.<br>
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  7. Bob_K

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    Here is Remington's answer:

    Question
    What is the difference between the Model 1100 and Model 1187?

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    In 1987, the new gas compensated 1187 was introduced. The 1100 and the 1187 are similar in design. Barrels are not interchangeable between these models.

    The gas cylinders are welded in slightly different locations. This is partly because the 11-87 has a longer magazine tube. The 11-87 also has 2 gas orifice holes. Only the 2-3/4 inch chambered version of the 1100 will have two. The magnum 1100 barrel has only one.

    The 1100 can shoot only 2 3/4" or 3" shells depending on the barrel installed, and with the 1187 models with magnum barrels can shoot both 2 3/4" and 3" shells. To accomplish this, two additional holes are drilled in the top/front of the gas cylinder, and covered with a tempered steel spring. There is a relief cut made into the gas cylinder to accommodate the spring. The Model 1100 gas cylinder will not have the relief cut or the spring.

    The Model 11-87 also has a slightly longer barrel extension. This is the part that connects directly into the receiver.
     
  8. Mr Newbius©

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    Dang ... so they are like brother and sister, so close but yet so different that you can swap certain parts but ya just cant really breed them together or ya get something that just aint perfectly right.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    Well, yes, sometimes you can "breed them together". And sometimes they work. Other times you get an inbred, dysfunctional, mouthbreather of a gun. Best not to dapple with 1100/1187 DNA, so to speak.
     
  10. ysr_racer

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    >>Ok ... what is exactly the difference between the 2 guns.

    Not much. Buy which ever one you get a better deal on.
     
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