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Reloading soft 12 gauge loads for a Remington 1100

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by dannyw68, Apr 7, 2009.

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  1. dannyw68

    dannyw68 Member

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    Hello everyone,

    I have recently acquired a Ponsness/Warren 800C from my grandfather and am starting to load my own shells. I am not new to hand loading as I have been loading for pistol and rifles for years, but this will be my first venture into shot shells.

    My goal is to load shells as cheaply as possible for my girlfriend and I. Loading for me will be easy as I already have the bushings for a moderate load with 1 oz of 8's and 700x. However, my girlfriend is recoil shy and and I only have a press and components for 12 gauge. So I figure I could replicate a 20 gauge load in the 12 gauge hull with 7/8 oz of lead.

    Is it possible to estimate whether my 1100 will cycle these 7/8 oz light loads? Since it is a gas gun, does proper cycling only require higher pressures, or might the decreased payload make the gun fail to cycle.

    I plan on doing some testing, but I'm sure that some of you have already tested the waters. No sense it letting good knowledge go to waste.
     
  2. Stu Pidash

    Stu Pidash TS Member

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    You might be more than highly surprised as to just how little recoil your moderate load might have but have you checked out Hogdons site to see some various recipes for 700x powder?
     
  3. grnberetcj

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    danny...

    I've shot 1100's & 1187's for many years using the before described 700X recipe without any problems.

    1 oz. hard shot, Federal Hull (top-gun, walmart, estate, GM), 12SO wad, 209A primer and 16 grs of 700X.

    But do check the Hogdon loading data for your specific needs.

    Curt
     
  4. maclellan1911

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    Lead Shot 12g 7/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Rem. TGT 12wad 17.3grains 9,400 PSI 1250
    I was loading this for my wife when she first started. They did cycle my Browning Gold but sometimes would fail to cycle complete. I just dipped in some 1 1/8 loaded at 1145fps after that. I think once she becomes acustom to shooting the gun, and the gun fits her. She will not notice much of a difference in recoil with the 1100.

    Lead Shot 12g 1 oz. Clays CCI 209 Rem. TGT 12wad 16.6grains 9,600 PSI 1180 This is my favorite load right now. It does cycle my Browning gold
     
  5. skarloey

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    I load 7/8 oz. with 17.5 gr. Red Dot, Claybuster WAA12L equivalent, Win primers, Win or Rem hulls and these cycle my 1187 and 1100 all day. I have the two-piece piston seal assembly in both guns. Some have said this makes a difference. I like the 7/8 oz. load for skeet and it seems to do well for me at singles as well.
     
  6. wolfram

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    No problem getting an 1100 to cycle 7/8 Oz loads. Just keep the pressures up around 8,500 Psi, that will probably end up being about 17 g of 700x. CLAYS and 700x are great powders for this, check the Hodgdons web site for exact loading data. The downrange XXL (pink) wad works well for this application. Keep the pellet count up by using #8 or smaller shot.

    What you end up with is a round that smokes 16 yard targets but recoils less than most 20 guage shells, economical to make too.
     
  7. halfmile

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    Gas volume in addition to pressure and payload is part of the equation. This can vary with different powders. 700 is a good choice here.

    Be sure the gas ports are free of carbon. You can do this with a set of number drills. I use a pin vise to hold the drill and work it by hand.

    Also you may want to be sure the spring tube in the stock is clean and free of bind.

    If you still have a problem open the port up one number drill size.

    But I feel if you follow wolfram's advice and have a clean gun you should be ok.

    HM
     
  8. hmb

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    Spray the magazine tube with Break Free and leave wet. This will help it function with light loads. HMB
     
  9. Tripod

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    my 1100 cycles 7/8 loads every time. 700X 16.5 grains with winchester cases,primers and wads. Smokes targets with my fixed choke full remington barrel too.
     
  10. Quack Shot

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    Red Dot/Promo, 700-X, Clays, Clay Dot, titewad, and a host of other powders will work in a 7/8 oz load that will cycle the 1100. Usually you need to get the velocity up over 1175 or so. Try to stay away from the slower powders. Every gun is different and a little experimentation is needed. I have three 1100s and they will all usually cycle a load at or over 1200 fps in 7/8 oz. One will usually cycle the 3/4 oz loads listed by Hodgdon using clays powder.
     
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    Back in the 70's I had a 3" mag. 1100 that I used for Ducks and goose hunting.
    On occation I would shoot clay targets with it just to tune up. It would not cycle trap loads but I found that not to be a problem as I reloaded and it kept the shells in the gun so I didn't have to use a shell saver. Of course that was just for singles and handicaps not doubles. If your friend is wanting to start out with light loads then just teach her how to operate the bolt and don't worry about what light load you come up with. Post-2
     
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    I have a couple 7/8 loads that cycle my 1100 just fine.

    18.5 clay dot claybuster 12so wad in a Top Gun hull

    19.5 Promo with same wad and hull, both loads use Chedite primers.

    Absolutly smokes targets.

    tom
     
  13. dannyw68

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    Thanks for the info guys. I experimented with my limited supply of powder bushings last night and found one that drops exactly 17.0 grains of 700x. In case your interested, my recipe will be:

    Old style red AA hull
    17.0 Grains 700X
    Cheddite Primer
    Claybuster CB1100-12 wad
    7/8 oz #8 West Coast Shot

    Based on load data, assuming minimal differences from the Cheddite primer, this shoot shoot at about $1200 ft/s.

    Thanks again,
    Dan
     
  14. wolfram

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    Let us know how they work for you Dan, I think you will like these shells.
     
  15. Jimmy E

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    Alright enough is enough already!! HERE is a REAL soft shooting target-crushing load that I use in my 1100. 15.0-15.5gr 700x, AA/STS hull, fed 209a primer, claybuster WAA12SL wad, 1oz. lawrence brand shot. Good for about 1080-1100fps. Patterns exceptionally well in the 30" fixed full barrel and absolutely destroys targets. It's all I shoot anymore! Remember, pattern is so much more important than velocity!!
    Jimmy E
     
  16. sammyd95

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    I shoot 15.8gr 700x,in 7/8oz #8'sray claybuster wad , they cycle just fine in my 1100.....JMO
     
  17. dannyw68

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    Well, I tested out the load I mentioned above with 17 gr of 700x and it worked great. I loaded them up with #9 shot for shooting skeet and shot a 25 my first round with them. I haven't been able to do that with 1 oz Federal factory loads for months.

    On a different note, I was shooting these same loads for trap, both 16 and 27 yards. I have always assumed based on peoples recommendations that #9 shot will not work well from 16 yards, let alone at 27. I hit 22 out of 25 from the 27 yard mark with them! And just for the hell of it, I shot a few of these from about the 45 yard line (at the fence line) and was able to hit about 50% of the targets. What gives?
     
  18. highflyer

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    What hmb said. When I am using a 7/8 ounce load in 12 gauge or a 3/4 ounce load with my 20 gauge 11-87's I shoot them wet with Break Free. Spary it on, then wipe it off and clean the magazine, then spray some back on and leave it. When shooting a standard 1 1/8 ounce load in 12 or a 7/8 ounce load in 20 I spray it on to clean them then wipe it off. 9's will work from long range because of multiple hits in the core of your pattern. Your effective pattern will be larget with 8's or 7 1/2's making it easier to hit the targets. If it wasn't true nobody would ever use anything but 9's and open chokes for all their shotgunning. They don't.
     
  19. Quack Shot

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    dannyw68

    You must have had the bag upside down when you read the number. :)

    I've used a load that is very similar. 16.6 grs of 700-X, Winchester primer, WAA12L gray wad and 7/8 oz of 8, 8 1/2, or 9 shot. They work great for Skeet, Trap singles, or doubles. They also cycle my 1100s well.

    Glad to hear you got it sorted out. I would think that with a dense powder like 700-X, the CB1100-12 could result in some dished in crimps.
     
  20. Ljutic111

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    I`ve been loading 15.6 gr of 700X and 1 oz for 5 years or more and they recycle great in my 1100 when I shoot doubles . Very nice load .
     
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