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Reloading question for all you experts

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by grntitan, Sep 3, 2010.

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  1. grntitan

    grntitan Well-Known Member

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    I'm wanting to use some Remington Nitro hulls with a Remington RXP-12 wad, 1 1/8oz #8 shot, W209 primer and Green Dot powder. That is a published load by Alliant with 22 grains making aprox. 9,400psi and 1250fps. If i went with say 20 grains Green Dot how would it affect the load? I'm certainly not worried about the psi as it would lower and 9,400 is not bad anyway. Would this load still perform well or would 2 grains make that damn much difference? I'm wanting to use these RXP wads i have for say a mellow handicap load. I could easily load the 22 grains but i just don't need that much speed or psi.

    I normally load 19 grains Green Dot, STS/Nitro hull, W209 primer, 1 1/8oz #8 shot and Fig 8 wad and use for everything. Its advertised at 1145fps and 8,100psi.

    Any input fellas/ladies?--Matt
     
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    Go for it. A two grain reduction will make for a pleasant load. I would hazard a guess that you would have a load a hair over 1200 fps, and pressure should be still up enough for an efficient powder burn, probably 8800-9000 psi.
     
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    Thanks Bob.
     
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    Twenty grains makes a delightful load.
     
  5. Quack Shot

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    20 grains with the RXP12 wad or the Figure 8 is just fine. It's very similar to what I use for caps. Looks like you double checked the data, so you should be good to go.
     
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    Thanks guys. I just needed some reassurance before loading some of these. I'd hate to go out and try 'em and have the shot roll out the end of the barrel. LOL---Matt
     
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    I checked 5 shells and they chrono'd for an average of 1215 if my memory serves me right. I load 22 grains for the games we play and love it. I never notice a kick but it will sure smoke em way out there. Jackie B.
     
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    Jackie---Was that chrono with the exact load i described? If so, that was exactly what i was looking and hoping for. Thanks---Matt
     
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    Anyone know what would happen with that 20 grain load if you used a Federal primer and a AA wad in the Nitro hull?

    Ed Yanchok
     
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    No... and it would be foolish to guess... too many variables.

    MK
     
  11. grntitan

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    Ed---I'm no expert but you want to start with a tried and tested load first. Then you can explore the possibilities of substituting components. That load your talking about is steering way too far off the published load. I simply dropped (2) grains. Thats why i asked first because i honestly had no idea if it was a smart thing to do.---Matt
     
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    I've checked the Alliant website and I don't see anything about using AA wads in Remington hulls, but I've been doing that forever. Prior to the introduction of the Federal 209-A, I used to use the regular Federal 209 in AAs all the time. Now, most recipes don't suggest mixing name brand wads or primers, only clones and aftermarket brands.

    Ed Yanchok
     
  13. Dark Horse

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    That is almost exactly my favorite load.

    My loader drops and average of 19.8 and with that RXP wad and Remington STS primers. Broke a 98 from the 25yd. Handicap at the Grand last year and 97 from the 26.5 yd. a month ago using Gun Club hulls.

    I just dont know what I'm going to do after running out of the RXP wad
     
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    Dark Horse---What do you mean run out? Can't you go buy more? Did they stop making them?

    I loaded a 100 of them last night and shot them today in practice. Very smooth shooting and shot a 96 with them from the 20. I'm happy and believe i'll load some up for competition. Thanks for all the input and advice everyone.---Matt
     
  15. Dark Horse

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    Remington's web site still list them. Just finding them at some reasonable price is my problem.

    The place where I get all my components is no longer stocking them.

    I bought every last one they had at a discount because they had them so long. They just wanted the wads out of there.

    If I had to special order them the cost would probably be close to $22-25 per thousand range when you include shipping charges. That makes them almost cost prohibitive. $110 to $125 a case is no longer in my price range

    Mark
     
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    Mark---I understand completely. I was just curious as you sounded as if they were discontinued or something. I have a couple 1000 and was just trying to find a useful load for me to use them up. I have a pretty good source here in So. IL but i really don't use them anymore. Now if it turns out i really fall in love with this new load, that will change real quick. Good luck, maybe you'll find a new source.---Matt
     
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    Matt,

    20.2 grs with the Rem Fig 8 wad clocks at about 1220-1225 over my Chronograph. Fast enough for a good caps load. I don't remember what the RXP12 wad did, but if I find my notes I'll post the results. I doubt it would be all that much different.
     
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    Quack Shot---Alliants site shows 20gr Green Dot with a Fig 8 at 1200fps. I'm certainly not gonna argue with your chrono though. I may load some of them as well and try them out. Shooting Jack-said the RXP 12 with 20gr Green Dot showed 1215 thru his. Sounds as if they arevery similar loads. Thanks for your help. I'm certainly not beyond expereminting with new loads.---Matt
     
  19. Dark Horse

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    I really like the RXP wad. I just checked Recob's and they want $115.69 a 5000 case plus I guesstimated about $12-13 a case shipping that puts them at $128-130 range.

    I can buy Claybusters all day long for $40-45 a case less and that includes our Sales Tax.

    I'm already paying a premium price for primers using Remington STS as I do. The Remington goes through my P-W with absolutely no problems with jamming where other primer brands, especially the foreign primers will jam on a regular basis. So I buy the most expensive primers out there.

    I also like using a full 1 1/8 oz of Remington Shot. From what I read from Neil Winston's post, that he believes Remington to be one of the hardest shot out there.

    Why do I use a full 1 1/8 of shot? I have heard a quote attributed to everyone from Arnold Riegger to Leo Harrison, "Because they won't let me use 1 1/4 oz", and I want as many soldiers down field as I can get. How I hate hearing the excuse, "I'm only using an ounce of shot"

    Let's see, I use Remington shot and a Remington primer with a Remington RXP wad, in a Remington hull, using Green Dot powder. Does it look like I am trying to duplicate a Remington Factory shell? .......YES!

    But I truly believe that I can produce a reload being more consistent than factory.

    I have been disapointed with the speed consistency of any brand, of new factory shells. I think the expert, Neil will agree with me on this point. He probably has used his chronograph on more new shells than anybody I can think of.
     
  20. Quack Shot

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    Matt,

    There are some differences between the chronograph setups that the factory uses, vs what the average reloader will use. There are many variables, including the chokes used. Mine is a "light" type screen set with diffusers. I use the most open choke I can find for a particular barrel. If I were to compare factory shells to mine, they are close to what the factory 3 dram 1 1/8 oz shot loads would do. Most "hobbyist" chronographs would read a little higher than the type the factory uses. As long as they are consistent, they give a valuable piece of data for the reloader. Neil Winston had written some valuable information on chronographs.There was a link in one of his posts, which I cannot seem to locate at the moment. I also use two chronographs in series, in order to validate the data I receive, if I am doing something other than just a casual check. A search should bring the threads up.

    In other words, the load I described is a solid replacement for a factory 1200 fps load, if indeed the factory load is 1200 fps. Many may not be what they are advertised to be.
     
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