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RELOADING PROHIBITED?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Russ Fisher, Oct 19, 2009.

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  1. Russ Fisher

    Russ Fisher TS Member

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    1. What does YOUR shotgun manufacturer (make and model) say in your manual about reloads? Prohibited? Not recommended? Some other disclaimer? Nothing?


    2. Anyone have any statistics regarding the percentage of reloads shot in the U.S.? At your club?


    Thanks,

    Russ
     
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    From my Beretta Manuals:

    "WARNING: Beretta assumes no responsibility for physical injury or property damage resulting from the use of defective, improper, hand-loaded, reloaded, or remanufactured ammunition. Serious damage and injury, and even death, could result from the use of incorrect ammunition, from firing against bore obstructions and from propellant overloads.

    I think words to this effect are pretty common to all shotgun (or rifle or pistol for that matter) manufacturers. We simply use reloads at our own risk.

    Jim R
     
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    Bt-99 manual:

    "Browning assumes no liability for incidents which occur through the use of cartridges of nonstandard dimensions which develop pressures in excess of commercially available ammunition which has been loaded in accordance with standards established by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures Institute (SAMMI)".

    Looks like to me reloads are ok if its the right size shell, and you don't exceed pressures. Wayne
     
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    On the side of my barrel it is printed new shells only
     
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    It's just their CYA.
     
  7. Russ Fisher

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    KENENT1,

    Great photo! VERY funny. Have my questions been posted elsewhere? (And hopefully answeres)

    Thanks, jimrich60 and wayneo. Good answers so far. Anything on the statistics regarding the percentage of reloads shot in the U.S.? At your club?

    Take care all,

    Russ
     
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    If you made a fine gun What you you have printed on the barrel- "This monster will eat anything you can stuff in the bore".
     
  9. jimrich60

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    Russ:

    Don't know about country wide reload stats but at my club (Sauk Trap and Skeet, I would say probably about 70-80 percent of shells fired are reloads by the regulars. Occasional shooters most often use factory, particularly things like the less expensive Gun Clubs, Walmart specials, and the like. as long as it is non registered shooting. Registered shoots/competition usually have a much higher percentage of higher end factory (Remington, Winchester, and the like). We have had one incident the past couple of years, gun blew up, no one hurt, but traced to bad reload in the end in all likelihood. Since we throw nearly 1,000,000 targets per year, percentage of incidents is pretty low.

    Jim R
     
  10. Russ Fisher

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    ALF-99,

    "On the side of my barrel it is printed new shells only"


    What make?

    Thanks,

    Russ
     
  11. Russ Fisher

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    jimrich60,

    Thanks. I would say our club pretty much matches what you have described as the norm at your club.

    Regards,

    Russ
     
  12. Russ Fisher

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    doggai,

    "Percentage wise, more people use reloads than wash their hands after using the toilet."


    This reminds me of a fun story I heard many years ago in Las Vegas. The famous football star Rosie Greer dropped a twenty dollar chip in the urinal. As the story goes he then took off his $5,000.00 watch and threw it in too. When asked why he did that he reportedly responded with “Hey, I aint gonna reach in there for no twenty bucks”.

    ;-)

    Russ
     
  13. Russ Fisher

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    shannon391,


    "If you made a fine gun What you you have printed on the barrel- "This monster will eat anything you can stuff in the bore"."


    In our litigious society something like "ANYTHING shot in this gun is not recommended" is more likely

    ;-)

    Russ
     
  14. JohnR

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    This is from the Krieghoff K80 manuel,


    Use factory loaded ammunition only. Factory
    ammunition is manufactured with the most
    sophisticated and reliable equipment available.
    The quality and consistency of factory loaded
    ammunition is essential to firearm safety.
    NEVER use reloaded ammunition. NEVER
    use ammunition that appears to be damaged
    or irregular in any way.


    Also says warranty void if reloads used in the warranty part. Most manufacturers I have seen say warranty void if reloads used.

    At the clubs I shoot at I would guess its about 70% to 80% factory ammo.
    John
     
  15. Russ Fisher

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    EE,

    <i>"Russ, do you really want answers to those specific questions, or are you just trolling. Because the way you asked sounds more like you're trolling."</i>


    I don’t know another way to ask questions. I’m not sure what you mean by “trolling” but, yes, I want answers or I would not have asked. I assume by your post that “trolling” is a bad thing. If I am right, how do I post these questions without appearing to be “trolling”?


    Thanks to all who have answered so far,

    Russ
     
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    What I see at my club is about 80% of the shells fired are new Estates or Federal Top Gun. When the cost of those shells gets significantly greater than the costs of reloading then we will see more reloaded ammo.

    I don't think this has a thing to do with people being worried about blowing up their guns or voiding any warranty. Just a simple matter of convienience vs cost.
     
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    Russ Fisher

    "I don’t know another way to ask questions. I’m not sure what you mean by “trolling” but, yes, I want answers or I would not have asked. I assume by your post that “trolling” is a bad thing. If I am right, how do I post these questions without appearing to be “trolling”?"

    That is my point exactly yet when ever I ask questions that others don't like I am accused of being a troll. One of your fellow club members seems to make a point of this every time I ask a question that puts him on the spot or he says I am ready to do battle....LOL

    So you use caution Russ or will be accused of being a troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Bob Lawless
     
  18. sliverbulletexpress

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    A muzzle loader is the only modern firearm I can think of that is approved for reloads.

    I think it's pretty easy to understand why. How many people run over their own foot mowing their yard? How many people put it in D instead of R and the other way round? How many people voted for Obama?

    RE: percentage of reloads shot at a club? Who in the world would keep track of that? What good would a WAG do you? How many reloads are shot at Quantico? Probably about the same as anywhere this side of the Sheiks range.
     
  19. Russ Fisher

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    Mr. EE,

    There is no shouting intended. There is no abrasive tone intended. There is no “trolling” intended. And I am not interested in any “deal”. I posted two simple questions. If you don’t like the questions, nothing obligates you to answer, comment or even read the thread for that matter.

    Please excuse me if I don’t respond further to side-bar posts that don’t contribute to the topic of the thread. I’m not looking for arguments, just civil discussion.

    Respectfully,

    Russ
     
  20. jimrich60

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    Russ:

    The manual warnings against reloads I posted earlier were for the 68X series over/under Berettas (as well as single barrels) and for the 391 series semi-autos, if you need that info. Also, from my Remington 3200 Over/Under manual comes this warning: "Remington firearms are designed, manufactured and proof tested to standards based on factory loaded ammunition. Improperly loaded handloads can be dangerous. Remington Arms Company, Inc, cannot assume responsibility for damages or injury caused by handloads or reloaded ammunition."


    Jim R
     
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