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Reloading Federal TOP GUN Hulls

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Jolin, Mar 10, 2011.

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  1. Jolin

    Jolin TS Member

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    I am looking for a 1 ounce and a 1-1/8 loading data for this hull.
    I am using Red Dot, Win or Rem Primers and Claybuster Fed clone wads.
    The current Alliant reloading data shows no loads for this hull.
    I have phoned Alliant regarding this type load, but the loading tech is out of the office.
    I sent an email to Alliant requesting info on this load. Their retuned email
    did not dicuss the load other than to say I could use a Win primer.
    I will try Alliant again.
    However, I would be appreciative if somebody on this forum could help me find a load for the Fed Top Gull Hull.
    Thanks.
    Joe
     
  2. RickN

    RickN Well-Known Member

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    Just use the Gold Medal data.
     
  3. acorange

    acorange Well-Known Member

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    Yeah what Rick said.....

    Good hull to load once and throw away,This hull shoots soft though with most loads.
     
  4. Jim Porter

    Jim Porter Well-Known Member

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    Use data for Fed Gold Medals. I too load this hull because I have a friend that gives me a truck load each year. I started useing them for practice and they shot so well I now use them in competition. My load is 18 rg Red Dot, Fed 12SO wad or clone and Cheddite 209 primers. They work great all the way back!

    I would suggest a few things. One- I load them once. I suppose it would be OK to load them more but I can get as many of these as I can use. 2- The steel head is a little rough on loaders. I use an old MEC Supersizer that I bought off e-bay for $25 and then de-prime on an old single stage press. Takes time but sure makes the loading process more enjoyable. 3-Some of the primers will be loose. My loads fall through the table into a 5gal catch bucket. When full there will be about 10 that the primers have fallen out. I cut and recycle the components. 4- When you get your press adjusted, these make an outstanding load. I use a PW that is dedicated to this load and if you put them back in the origional box, no one can tell them from new shells.
     
  5. Quack Shot

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    Here are two loads I've used for years. Data was originally checked against Alliant's 1996 guide. The only substitution was the wads, since using a "reduced" powder charge left too much room in the hull and resulted in dished crimps.

    Top Gun, Wally World Federal Special Hulls, Federal 209A primers, 1 oz shot with 18.2 grains of Red Dot/Promo Federal 12S0 wad or clone. 1200 fps or so as a result. For 1 1/8 oz, 18.5 grains of Red Dot/Promo Federal 12S3 wads or clones. 1180 fps or so. The pressures were likely well within bounds, since the listed maximum loads were considerably higher. Velocities were checked with my chrongraphs.

    A fellow named Curt who goes by grnberetcj has some data for 700-X powder that seemed reasonable and I had verified it in an older Dupont manual.

    I have a considerable amount of data for these hulls from different sources. They are reloadable, but I do not load them more than twice. The primer pockets tend to loosen after the first firing or two. If I load them twice, I will sometimes use an oversized primer for the second loading instead of the Federal 209A. The Rio G-600 works fairly well and was designed for large straight tube hulls. Most sources will tell you that you can use Gold Medal hull data for these hulls. If you do, I would stay away from the top pressure loads and not tempt fate.

    I have also seen a few failures where the tube pulls out from the base when using slower powders like Universal Clays or Unique. It's not a common issue, but it has happened.

    One word of caution with these hulls. Be sure that the base wads never got wet. If the basewad looks swollen or enlarged, toss the hull.
     
  6. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Great hull to reload (and as stated above, discard any that got wet).

    My recipes that I use and have used for a number of years with very good success:

    1 oz. of hard shot, 17 grs. of 700X, Federal 12S0 (or clone) wad, Federal 209A primer. 1200 fps and very soft. I use this for singles and both shots of doubles.

    1-1/8 oz. of hard shot, 19.5 grs. of 700X, 12S3 wad (or clone), 209A primer. 1250 fps does not thump you like a Win Silver Bullet. I use this for long yardage 'caps.

    As I have a constant supply of hulls, I reload once and toss.

    As stated above, it's a good hull to reload, just use the proper spec's and don't blow anything up except the clay birds.

    Curt
     
  7. Jolin

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    Thank You very much. This is what is great about this web site.
    Joe
     
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