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reloading federal papers

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by knutershooter, Apr 28, 2012.

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  1. knutershooter

    knutershooter Member

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    I see in all the reloading manuals that it takes extra powder in the paper hulls to get the same FPS. Does it take more powder to open the paper hulls? Yet they seem to shoot softer??

    Do you need the federal wads to reload them or a replica?

    I use the Downrange wads and green dot powder if anyone has a good load for a 16 and handicap. Cheditte primers also.

    Thanks!
  2. goatskin

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    You'll LOVE the smell ...

    Are you wanting 1oz? or 1-1/8oz?

    DR has several 'straight-wall' wads, and yeah, the Federal-style wads are what most people use for Federal Papers - because of closure, looks and machine adjustment mostly. The Winchester-style wads seal fine, w/o powder migration.

    What DR wads do you like? I'm sure we can figger some load without much trouble.

    Bob
  3. chipped99

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    For the 16,Stuff em' with 1 oz.hard shot on top of a 12so wad and 17.5 gr.of 700x with a winchester,cheddite,or the 616 fiocchi primer and you will be content!Stay with your Green dot and a little heavier shot charge for caps.Great hull and the best shot gun shell of all time.Smell good,shoot good,soft recoil and did I mention SMELL GOOD!!!!!!!!!Other opinions may vary.
  4. knutershooter

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    Thanks guys, I am using the DR XXL Blue 1 1/8 and the windjammer replacement from DR, I also have the XL-1 green ones that are for one ounce loads. And International clays powder or the Green Dot.
  5. goatskin

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    From Alliant's site, anywhere between 19 & 22gn of GD for either the XL-Blue or the Windjammer, depending on how fast you want to go, and drop the same range with the Neon 1oz, but you might have some soft crimps as it is not a great fit.

    International are about the same drops.

    I'd find a bushing that drops 20.5 (± .3) of either powder, and call it done.

    None of these are PUBLISHED loads, but they are smack-dab in the middle of a bunch of ± identical loads that ARE published.

    Bob
  6. knutershooter

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    thanks Bob! Do you know why it takes more powder for the paper hulls?
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    It is the internal shape of the hull that changes the pressure and velocity

    ie AA's have a tapered basewad cup with less volume than a federal hull with an almost square flat bottom

    regards
  8. goatskin

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    Yeah, I do.

    Or at least I know what Hodgdon told me, and I believe them: the paper basewad and thicker, softer sides absorb some pressure/force that the solid basewad and thin, hard sides of a plastic hull do not.

    The 'standard' kink for paper loads is to take any FGM-Plastic load you like and add a ½gn, and you have duplicated it.

    What Bruce says is correct, there is some changing of force vectors in the tapered hulls, and a same-component/same ballistics comparison will almost always require less powder than any straight-wall, and a paper hull will need .5gn more than a FGM.

    i.e. for 1200fps, 1-1/8oz using 700x & F209A: FGM needs 20gn, a Remington or AA - 17½.

    It don't matter much to me: Federal Papers are luxury goods, and deserve to be laved with PB or 7625, anyhow (even if you have to get a payday loan to buy those powders).



    Bob
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    Paper hulls require more powder to achieve the same velocity because of the higher coefficient of friction between the wad and the paper tube. The coefficient of friction between a plastic wad and a plastic hull is less compared to a paper hull.

    The trick to loading a good looking paper hull is to match the components to the hull. You cannot expect to crush the wad like you can with a plastic hull. The crimp on the paper hull is not able to hold the compressed wad in place.

    Jim Skeel<BR>
    P/W Dealer/Distributor
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