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Refusing yardage reductions.

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Gapper, Aug 6, 2010.

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  1. Gapper

    Gapper TS Member

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    Can anyone explain refusing reductions. I can only think of two -
    #1 being able to squad with your pals
    #2 Ego
    Both are actually valid reasons, we're human after all.
    I am trying to learn something here, and don't want to be disrespectful to my fellow shooters. If more guys took reductions, wouldn't they make it more competetive for all. They would stand a better chance of winning, thereby loosening the "stranglehold of the big dogs". If the ATA says you're not competetive at your current yardage, it's 99% guaranteed you are not. I am in favor of mandatory reductions, though I think you could defer reduction until the next calendar(or target) year. Whatcha think?
     
  2. Gapper

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    Thanks Pat, that is a good reason. I'm still learning.
     
  3. The Stive

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    I will refuse any and all reductions. I work on hitting the targets where I
    am. I get a little better as time goes on and once in a while I get a punch.
    I do not wish to go forward only to have to work on getting back. If that is ego, than I am guilty. John
     
  4. KEYBEAR

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    It makes little sense to work hard to GET a yard only to give it up because your having a slump . Also what makes the difference if you shoot from the 20 or 27 ? Is it anyones business really .

    The They would stand a better chance of winning bunch can take all the reductions they like (NO PROBLEM) AND WIN THE 17 -18 BUCKS

    alf
     
  5. Bucko43

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    I refused a yardage reduction once when I was shooting from the 22 1/2, and the ATA wanted me to take a 1/2 yard reduction. I would still shoot from the 22 yard line, so I told them no. It didn't make any sense to stay at the same place. I've since moved on, but they shouod make the reduction at least a yard, then I would have taken it.

    Kevin
     
  6. senior smoke

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    I personally would take reductions down to the 16 yard line if offered. Why, obviously I can't handle the yardage I was on if I am being offered a reduction. Some people that I know refuse reductions for the following reasons. To shoot with friends, and their friends know that the person who refused a yardage reduction can't handle the yardage they are presently on. Also friends that reach the 27 yard line and feel it was difficult to get there and never want to give it up. I also know someone who is older and wants people to think that he is still a 27 yard shooter, shooting 60's and 70's and they talk about him behind his back. I have never been on 27 , closet I ever came to it was 25 1/2. Don't know what I would have done if I ever made it to the fence. To those of you who ever made it to the 27 yard line, I tip my hat to you and you deserve the respect due for making it. I believe it's your money, do what ever you want, stay on the 27, or take a reduction, like I said it's your money and no one else's business.
    Steve Balistreri
     
  7. Big Az Al

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    I have shot TWO good scores in handicap

    And heard, "WHO'S THAT SANDBAGGER!?"

    So a reduction? NO, H&!! NO!, and not ever!

    AL Lingham
     
  8. Gapper

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    If you "get a little better as time goes on" I'm not sure as to why you would get reductions on a regular basis unless there is something wrong with the handicapping system. You seem to be a dedicated shooter, working hard to improve and doing it. That's not ego and you're not "guilty". I would guess the ATA is offering reductions before guys have a chance to learn "the angles" at their present yardage. I thank you for your input.
     
  9. Dr.Longshot

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    Mandatory yardage reductions, You have to maintain an average at myour yardage or get reduced until you do. PERIOD


    Gary Bryant
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  10. Gapper

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    If you are in a "slump" and take a reduction are you more or less COMPETITIVE than if you decline it? How long do these slumps last? So reasons #4 slump; #5 fear of being tagged as a sandbagger. Again, valid reasons but one can see why mandatory reductions are a realistic way to INCREASE competetion. Thanks Guys, lets try to make it more competive for all. Great Input!
     
  11. Jerry944t

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    That's an idiotic statement Gary. Trap is, for the majority, a hobby and a social sport.

    There are rules in place that allow a degree of latitude. Until those rules are changed who are you to tell me how I should enjoy my hobby?

    It's about choices. If I choose to be "uncompetative" at the yardage I earned than that is my choice. If I choose to take a reduction because that's the way I choose to enjoy my sport than that's what I will do.

    Being absolute and dogmatic when referring to someone's entertainment is thoughtless.

    Jerry Weger
     
  12. oleolliedawg

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    Take a reduction from the 27 and break a 96 or 97, get back that lost yardage and still remain a loser. Explain the logic most of which comes from shooters who never mastered the 21yd line!!
     
  13. KEYBEAR

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    Dr.Longshot You can take all the REDUCTIONS your offerd (fine with me)

    But please keep your nose out of my business . You see it,s my money I,m spending my time and my choice not your,s . You have a chance to take a reduction your choice but don,t tell me it,s Mandatory .

    I,s a very good way to loose a bunch of shooters that are on the fence now .

    ALF
     
  14. missemucho

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    I believe according to Phil's survey, shooters were about evenly split on whether it was worse to be over or under handicapped. However, check the average books and see how many shooters you find with 90% + handicap averages. Looks to me like a significant number of registered shooters are over handicapped now and don't care.
    John
     
  15. KEYBEAR

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    John I would be over handicapped on the 19 Yd.line .

    idiotic statement Yes Jerry but only one of many and far from the dumbest
     
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    From my experience, take the reductions. There's a reason they sent you one and it's not to even out the yardage groups...

    Jim C
     
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    Shoot the yardage you have a chance to win from. How can you justify a 10 year slump on the 27 yd. line. If you can't win from there,why be there? Move up and win! Reductions mandatory all the way. CED
     
  18. KEYBEAR

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    1oldtimer Just one QUESTION PLEASE

    Why do you feel you can tell me what to do .

    I just don,t understand how it,s hurting you if I,m over handicapped .

    Please don,t give me a line about move up and win ( I don,t care to win )

    If you get your wish it would be the last handicap I shot .

    It would be nice if people like you could mind your own DAM business I will take a reduction If I chose not you GOT IT
     
  19. Jerry944t

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    I find it extremely presumptuous for one person to tell another how to enjoy their hobby as long as it's within the rules of the sport.

    No one and I mean no one is going to tell me how to enjoy myself and those that are trying please explain what business it is of your how I make a choice.

    If I am enjoying myself why in the world do your care?
     
  20. hunter44

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    Why would a person refuse a reduction? What pleasure can one get from staying at a yardage from which you can't be competitive? Is it just ego?
     
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