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RED DOT -CLAY DOT-e3

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by 6ft lead, Mar 31, 2008.

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  1. 6ft lead

    6ft lead TS Member

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    grain for grain, cost for cost, need some advise. whose is using these powders for 1oz. 1200-1245 fps loads. i'm using remington gun club hulls. i have not used e3, but the low charge weights seem appealing with the cost of components.
    red dot has always worked well. throw me a bone fellas.
     
  2. chipking

    chipking TS Member

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    Buy PROMO load it using Red Dot weight data. The Promo is a little denser so to throw 17.5 gr takes a smaller bushing than 17.5 of Red Dot. Promo from our distributer is $20 less per 8# than Red Dot and $10 less than Clay Dot and about $30 less than E3. Use Claybuster 1100-12 (AASL Clone) or Green duster wad and live happily ever after.
    --- Chip King ---
     
  3. dverna

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    Second what chipking said. Promo is cheap and works well.

    I do not like the Claybuster wad as much as the Green Duster or Downrange. I also load at 17.5 gr with 1 oz loads in AA or STS hulls. Light load - about 1200 fps. I have dropped down to 16.5 gr in the summer - it should yield about 1150 fps and will do OK at 16 yards.

    Don
     
  4. zzt

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    I'd stick with one of the three you mentioned. The cost of loading each is almost identical, because different weights are required per velocity. Clay Dot is *2/8lb, Red Dot $85/8lb and e3 $93/8lb.

    As long as you are talking 1oz loads, e3 is my favorite. Works well with any primer, in any weather, in any temperature. Much cleaner than Red Dot, and somewhat cleaner than Clay Dot, if you care.
     
  5. mercedesman1981

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    I'll second zzt's message. I am using e3 right now but will have to stop as it
    is very costly in the Pacific Northwest at nearly $20/lb.

    ZZT- welcome back.

    Mike
     
  6. rrose

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    I like E3 and use 16.5 grains with Rem hulls and Downrange xl wad,1oz shot, it is very clean and consistant in very cold or hot weather. Use less per round so it costs about the same as less costly powders.
     
  7. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    I am using down range 1 oz wads with 16.4 of red dot in old style aa hulls . Works good for me, no problems winter or summer. Fiocci primers in summer,fall,
    and spring, rem of win 209 in winter. I am in Michigans upper peninsula and it knows how to get cold here. Bill
     
  8. maclellan1911

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    price seems directly related to density! it takes less E3 thsn clays or red dot but cost more.
     
  9. maclellan1911

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    OK PowderValley has red dot @ 94/8lbs E3 102/8lbs. Loading remington hull,rem209,TGT12 wad @ 1200 fps RedDot is 18 grains E3 is 16.9 Running it throught the loading cost calculator 8lbs of E3 will load 3314 shells Red dot will load 3111 SO you get 4 more rounds per 8lbs of E3 over red dot for a 8$ difference? wheres the saveings. PROMO WHERE THE HELL IS THIS STUFF I have yet to see anyone stock it, no info on web site ??????? Locally here we have a rotation of availability red dot clays green dot some times universal clays.
     
  10. zzt

    zzt Well-Known Member

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    mac, just buy the Red Dot and use it for everything. If you want 1 1/8oz loads at 1200fps or faster, buy some Green Dot as well. They are both terrific powders, and you simply cannot go wrong using them. Just make sure not to use the Green Dot for anything slower than 1 1/8oz @ 1150fps in summer or 1200fps in winter.
     
  11. maclellan1911

    maclellan1911 TS Member

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    ZZT, I use what ever they have in stock right now that been CLAYS for ever, he can get it cheaper than Reddot last batch was 89.00 for 8lbs, no primers those are hard to get locally.
     
  12. zzt

    zzt Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing that Clays is cheaper than Red Dot in the NW. It must be a freight thing. Around PA, any Hodgdon powder is at least $13 more per 8lb than any of the Dots.
     
  13. maclellan1911

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    dont get it either, plus it has to make the big trip across the pond. Clays has gone up just called local guy 99.00 for all 8lbs red green clays
     
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