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Rare Pair. 1897 16ga BlackDiamond Trap Guns

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Ithaca$$$Grade, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. Ithaca$$$Grade

    Ithaca$$$Grade Active Member

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    Here is a couple interesting 1897 Black Diamond Trap Guns I've picked up over the last couple years. They were made a couple years apart. Both are 28" Full choke, rolled rib barrels, Black Diamond Tournament Grade guns. They are both all original and will stay that way. They're only original once. One is a semi-pistol grip stock and the other is a straight/english stock, original butt plates.


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    Enjoy.

    Jim W
     
  2. Coyote 270

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    NICE, ARE THEY FOR SALE?
     
  3. eightbore

    eightbore Well-Known Member

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    Very rare original 97s. Beem collecting 97 traps for a long time but have not had the opportunity to purchase 16 gauge traps in original condition.
     
  4. Hitapair

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    Nice Jim. Must've been used by market hunters by the looks of the amount of use they got.
     
  5. lwr_

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    Wow, would have loved to have seen and held those 97s when they rolled out of the factory. Yes, keep them just as they are.
     
  6. The Literalist

    The Literalist Well-Known Member

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    Man, couldn't those old boys tell some stories? Thanks for posting, Jimmy.
     
  7. Ithaca$$$Grade

    Ithaca$$$Grade Active Member

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    Hitapair, either lots of critters/birds or a bunch of clay targets/pigeons. I don't have any history on the pistol grip one but I'm trying to get some background on the straight stock one. I do know it belonged to a 101 year old gentleman who gave it to his son who is 79. I'll let you know what I find out.

    I've had the pistol grip one for a couple years and even shot a round of trap with it. Didn't hit 'em all but the ones I did were just soot. Good chokes in those guns even back then.

    Jim W
     
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    Good job with the photography - obviously shotguns aren't your only hobby.
     
  9. Barry C. Roach

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    Great presentation. Love them old 1897's. Thanks for sharing.
     
  10. Hitapair

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    I bought a sraight grip black diamond trap many years ago that had mainly been used as a duck gun, and it looked like it. I think it also might have been used as an oar on the old guys boat at one time.
     
  11. Shipbuilder

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    Jim:

    Wow, I have a thing for 97s,these are really neat. I know yours are not for sale,but what do you think they are worth? I am looking for a 97 trap and trying to figure out a fair price both for original condition and restored.

    Jim
     
  12. EEB

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    Those guns deserved to be restored. Their current condition does not do them justice. JMHO
     
  13. Ithaca$$$Grade

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    Hey guy's, thanks for the nice comments.

    I have no idea what they would/should sell for. I've got a call into a Winchester collector that does know the market and the collector value of guns like these. He has seen one of them, he hadn't laid his eyes on one before I showed him mine, so he should have a pretty good idea. I did let a restoration company look one of them over a few years ago and they gave me a price of $2500.00 to make them look like new. It would be a shame to have someone do that and get something back you're not happy with. And once thats done, its over with.

    As far as the wear on them, I can't imagine someone would pick a 16 gauge to market hunt with or even duck hunt with. When these were made, with the options that are on them, most people back then either didn't have the extra money for the upgrades, didn't want them, or wouldn't have looked in the Winchester catalog to order the upgrades. I'm hoping that Annie Oakley used one of them in her show. She was known to use 16 gauge guns for the lighter recoil. Wouldn't that be something.

    Have a good one.

    Jim W
     
  14. Diamond Bruce

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    Cowboy action guys love these guns. Rick Stover from Cowboy Way and I have redone a lot of these at a lot less the 2500.00, even with new wood. We have done them in high gloss and satin blue and satin hard chrome with action jobs a lot cheaper then that. Some are on the web site if you want to look.
    D and B metalfinishing.com

    Bruce
     
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