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Race war threatened if Obama loses.....

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Fatimah Ali: We need Obama, not 4 more years of George Bush<br>
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    By Fatimah Ali<br>
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    Philadelphia Daily News<br>
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    AMERICA is on the brink of a long, harsh and bitterly cold winter, with a looming recession that the GOP won't even admit to.<br>
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    The policies of the current White House have brutalized our economy, yet the wealthiest think that everything is fine.<br>
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    Rich Republicans just don't understand that millions are suffering. But many of their working class do, and they're beginning to abandon their own party.<br>
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    When lifelong Republican Barney Smith told the Democratic convention that he'd vote for Barack Obama for president, he gave pause to even the most conservative members of his party.<br>
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    Smith, like many disgruntled working-class Republicans, is ready to turn his back on his party because he's having such a hard time providing for his family. Like others, Smith fell victim to the loss of 3.2 million American jobs as factories closed or their work was outsourced to cheap labor markets overseas.<br>
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    Poet Langston Hughes once wrote, "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, Life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly, Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams go, life is a barren field, frozen with snow."<br>
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    Many wealthy folks live in a dream state and ignore people like Smith, whose tale of personal woe preceded Obama's acceptance speech.<br>
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    He opposes John McCain because, he says, America can't afford another four years of failed GOP policies that have extended $200 billion in tax cuts to big corporations but not to the nation's 100 million families.<br>
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    Our national debt has soared from $5.6 trillion to $9.6 trillion under Bush. The Republicans have overstayed their welcome and dragged us into a nightmare that must end soon, or this nation may be headed for chaos.<br>
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    Obama tugged on the nation's heartstrings when he challenged McCain's tough talk and told the truth about the current policies.<br>
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    Critics of the GOP believe that a four-year extension of the Bush administration will be disastrous. People are struggling, and the privileged are so out of touch they pretend it's OK that children go hungry.<br>
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    Over the last eight years, we've lost 3.2 million jobs, and started a war that's cost trillions. The lies and deceit that got us into Iraq in the first place are just the tip of the iceberg and have ruined America's reputation across the globe.<br>
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    Meanwhile, our economy continues to crumble, while crime, homelessness and poverty continue to soar.<br>
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    Despite the fact that thousands of immigrants risk their safety to come here because this country may offer them better opportunities, the truth is that poverty lives right here in our own backyard.<br>
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    Suffering is widespread as the gap between rich and poor widens. The Bush administration doesn't get it and neither does McCain. He is so out of touch that he hasn't a clue how many homes he owns, while the working class struggles to hold on to one.<br>
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    The Democrats desperately need many more voters like Smith to cross party lines in order to secure the White House. Obama says electing him to the nation's highest office will not only help restore America's moral standing globally, but will lift the nation's low morale and improve our declining economy.<br>
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    He promises to cut taxes for 95 percent of American workers and ease the burden for millions of families. And I believe him, although his critics say he's out of touch with the working class and blast him for not having a lineage that includes slavery.<br>
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    But just because his ancestors never wore shackles, and he has paid off the student loans from his elite education doesn't mean he doesn't have compassion. Or that he doesn't understand the pain of those who live in dire poverty, who've lost their homes, who want yet can't afford college, and who lack health insurance.<br>
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    His acceptance speech indicated that, unlike McCain, Obama gets it because hard times aren't so far behind him that his memory's been erased.<br>
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    If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!<br>
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    Plenty of Americans would rather stay in their dream state than to recognize the poverty sweeping across the country, right here, right now.<br>
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    Obama understands that people are suffering. Every week, prices go up at the supermarket, and people are unable to feed their families. It already is dark and stormy for millions, who can't even afford pencils, book bags and lunch money for their children.<br>
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    But when Obama wins the White House, we may just see a revolution that can turn the tide and improve this nation for everyone, not just a select few.<br>
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    And I expect him to keep his word.*<br>
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    Fatimah Ali is a regular contributor. E-mail her at fameworksmedia@yahoo.com.
     
  2. JBrooks

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    Well, it would be a short war in that 95% of the black "warriors" are already in prison and the ones that aren't are either, to busy dealing drugs, are sissy metrosexuals like Obama or are smart enough to be Republicans.
     
  3. halfmile

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    Our town has been blackified badly in the last 5 years.

    And guess what?

    NO doctors, No lawyers, a couple of self professed clergymen form no particular denomination, and lots of scruffy trash talkin crack smokin gas station robber types.

    Why do they walk in the street, anyway? Are they afraid of the people's dogs or what?

    I would like to see some high quality black folks here so I could stop having such a bad impression.

    HM
     
  4. wdr-NY

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    Brian failed to point out that this was an op-ed from the Phil Daily News and that there are no threats of a race war if Obama loses.

    Ignorance.

    Walker
     
  5. bigdogtx

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    And she thinks that Obama will bring jobs with taxes on corps. Jobs will flow out of here like hurricane. She's right that "thousands of immigrants risk their safety...", she fails to call them what they are; ILLEGAL. The money given to them from SS and Medicaid is a huge contributing factor to much of the problem.

    Someday she may realize that Washington is the Problem NOT the Answer.
     
  6. JH

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    TRANSLATION: OBAMA promises FREE MONEY....other people's money...the more irresponsible, inept and dependent one becomes the MORE MONEY one gets.....THE WELFARE MESSIAH HAS PROMISED FREE MONEY and people will get pissed if they don't get it!
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    Walker, the people here aren't the bumpkins you are treating them as.<br>
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    First, the article I posted clearly shows it's from the Philadelphia Daily News.<br>
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    It also clearly says "If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war".<br>
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    And it also clearly states: "Fatimah Ali is a regular contributor. E-mail her at fameworksmedia@yahoo.com." That indicates she is a regular op ed contributer.<br>
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    If there is any ignorance, it's with your underestimating the intelligence of people on this website. You are just reinforcing suspicions that you really are an Obamabot.
     
  8. wdr-NY

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    Brian,
    You're just feeding into people's fear and hate when you post the material that you do. First, the subject of your post is inflammatory. Second, you did not point out that the piece was an opinion-editorial from the Philadelphia Daily News--you pasted the article to make it look like it was a news piece published in the PDN. Third, the theme of the article is centered around socio-economic inequality and not race--yet you focused on the race aspect.

    I don't need to say or do anything to make some of the posts on this site appear ignorant. The minority of authors who take information out of context and cut-n-paste to their benefit, make themselves look uneducated and ignorant all on their own.

    Walker
     
  9. JH

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    wdr-NY,

    The piece reveals an underlying "mind set" of victimization/entitlement. YOU OWE US....and if we don't get our share, we will riot/loot. Simple. The victimization/entitlement "mind set" runs deep.

    When you boil it down, it is a simple distorted belief: Social justice means GIVE ME THE MONEY YOU OWE US (OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY) OR WE WILL RIOT/LOOT! Selling the "mind set" of perpetual victimization helps liberals get elected!
     
  10. wdr-NY

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    Bangalore,
    There is a difference between victimization/entitlement (the mind set you speak of) and recognizing victims of economic transition and shaping public policy to address the needs of those victims (as addressed by the author of the op-ed).

    In a true free-market meritocracy (which has never existed) members of society are stratified into classes based on their contribution to the economy. This concept is similar to gender role models in sociology. Under this model, an individuals socio-economic ranking (quality of life, income etc) is correlated with the value of their labor to the society's total economy. The more valuable, or greater contribution, their labor is to the society, the larger share of the total economy they gain--the point is that an individuals piece of the pie is proportionate to their contribution.

    Unfortunately, we don't live in a true free-market meritocracy--and an individual's socio-economic ranking is not solely dependent on the merit of their contribution to our society's total economy. What we've discovered is that wealth, like power, concentrates in un-regulated societies, to an eventual point of absolution (in theory, of course). Now enlightenment thinkers like Hobbes and Locke as well as Voltaire and Montesqieu have pointed out that the individuals in a society always reserve the right to revolt--and before power or wealth can concentrate to absolution, the people will reincarnate society through revolution.

    I think the point here is that we need to recognize that their are more than just winners and losers in our society, there are haves and have-nots, perpetrators and victims. And we need to shape policy that mitigates the effects of concentrated wealth and power without hindering economic growth and innovation.

    There are ways to re-distribute wealth in this country (the wealthiest on the planet) that addresses the reality that some people end up on the short end of the stick through no fault of their own.

    The Nazi Conservatives who preach laissez-faire and privatization through one side of the mouth while supporting corporate welfare through the other side of the mouth are dead-wrong.

    The bleeding heart, tree-hugging, kumbaya liberals who think everyone should live in government housing and there should be no private ownership are dead-wrong as well.

    Right is somewhere in the middle--and its gonna take people a lot smarter than the armchair pundits on this board to figure it out.

    Walker
     
  11. halfmile

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    Armchair pundit. Oh, gee.

    I guess that means I can quit writing my senators and representatives since I obviously don't count.

    Here's a bit of punditry for you: The victim mindset I see is usually always accompanied by sly giggles.

    Example: where my wife works there is a supervisor, Named De La Rosa. HIs wife works there too. They both drive brand new pickups. They have a Home here, and another one in Mexico.

    And they shop with food stamps.

    The system is broken and in dire need of a transfusion of common sense. For every deserving recipient there are 6 or 7 outright cheaters who suck with all their might, while denigrating and criticizing our society.

    Since I am an armchair pundit if that's what you want to call it, I have a solution. Every potential recipient should be polygraphed regarding their actual need and not get a farthing if they don't pass.

    For a while when the government was giving out free cheese to those in need, you could buy it cheap in the local bars on Skid Row. I guess the object was to eliminate a cheese surplus rather than helping people.

    Also, someone needs to remind the writer that the majority of thejobs that left America did so because of slick Willie's actions.

    HM
     
  12. BIGDON

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    Walker you are practicing entitlement. That is only you are entitled to express what you feel is right. You want to stifle Brian in his sharing of what he feels is something that reinforces his views. He is throwing this out here for readers to consider and make up their own minds. You obviously feel that readers on this site don't have the mentality to make decisions and or choices.

    It must be nice to set in your chair thinking that your intelligence is superior to others.

    Don
     
  13. slide action

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    Evidently Walker has two problems. The first is he is a out of touch with reality liberal. The second is he evidently can't READ! Pretty clear to me it promised a clss-race war if Obama doesn't get the nod! Let's see Fatima Ali?!!! You don't suppose with a name like that there might just be a tad of anti capitalism and a not too crazy about America agenda do you??!!! Go figure! Duke, I do wish there was a way to seperate the forums into political/non political but I guess the gun control debate prevents that.
     
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    About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

    "The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage "

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

    Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million; Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
    States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29 Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements living off government welfare..."

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency & apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

    Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.
     
  15. wdr-NY

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    Half-mile talks about the "blackification" of his town with "scruffy trash talkin crack smokin gas station robber types" and openly yearns for "high quality black folks" and not a peep from the peanut-gallery about how ignorant and offensive it is to attribute those statements to a complete race of people.

    Brooks says, "Well, it would be a short war in that 95% of the black "warriors" are already in prison and the ones that aren't are either, to busy dealing drugs, are sissy metrosexuals like Obama or are smart enough to be Republicans." ...and yet the peanut gallery remains quiet--allowing yet another racist, xenophobe to "share his feelings with something that reinforces his views".

    I point out that Brian's post mis-represents the theme of the op-ed (and that he failed to reveal that it was an op-ed piece) and the peanut gallery comes roaring to life...

    ...sorry guys, but I'm allowed to chime in, too.

    I don't mean to talk down to anyone, but I can't apologize for being well-read or for being able to write and spell correctly. Moreover, I feel an obligation to point out logical fallacy and mis-truth whenever possible.

    Respectfully,

    Walker
     
  16. Bruce Specht

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    It will be what it will be if there is a war all I can say is"I piddy the fool"
     
  17. H82MIS

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    Walker, from your post,,

    There are ways to re-distribute wealth in this country (the wealthiest on the planet) that addresses the reality that some people end up on the short end of the stick through no fault of their own.


    re-distribute wealth????,,,bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  18. slide action

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    RE-distribution of wealth is a buzz turm for taking from the working "haves" and giving the money to dead beat welfare class of "have nots". In short socialism!!!
     
  19. wdr-NY

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    OIC,
    Wealth is re-distributed no matter how you look at it--

    Either through the cost of law enforcement, court systems and incarceration

    or...

    Through the cost (to the taxpayer) for increased health premiums, hospital stays, automobile insurance premiums, road-user fees (to pay for the cost of un-insured)

    or...

    Through losses incurred by violent crime, theft, decreased property values and tax bases brought on by declining neighborhoods...

    or...

    Through the cost of taxpayer supported social programs that mitigate the impact of poverty on a society.

    Either way, we're paying. There just happens to be a whole generation of people who believe that fighting poverty (which serves the whole of society) is the most economically viable answer to a whole slew of problems.

    We can't ship all the deadbeats to an island and let them fight it out--anymore than we can deport 12 million illegals.

    We've been re-distributing wealth from the middle class up the chain to the upper class since the 1980's and conservatives don't complain about that?

    What gives?

    Walker
     
  20. recurvyarcher

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    Walker, you must allow time for the "peanut gallery" to wake up, have their coffee and breakfast, and get their eyes working properly before insinuating that all of us would just sit back and not say anything.

    You haven't been on here very long, have you? Otherwise, you would have known.

    Halfmile, you are more than welcome to come visit me for a week or two and shoot some trap in Maryland. I will introduce you to many well-educated black families, and you can observe many large, affluent neighborhoods within the state that are predominantly black.

    JonP, I *really* liked your post. Thanks for the inspiration.
     
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