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"Race and the Gun Debate." by Juan Williams

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Barrelbulge(Fl), Apr 29, 2013.

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  1. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Hmmm... not the first time I have heard some-one speak out about this.


    Worth the read .........Interesting article, especially as we look around us.



    By William Lafferty Author: The Steel City Series(see link above.



    In case you are unfamiliar with Juan Williams, he used to be on NPR, the liberal radio network and they fired him over a comment he made. He is now on Fox News Network as the balanced side of liberal opinions. There is a great deal of truth in this email. Mr. Williams deserves credit for even mentioning it.



    Juan Williams, a black commentator, wrote an interesting article recently entitled "Race and the Gun Debate." (Wall St. Journ, Mar 27, 2013). Among the statistics he cites are that 54% of all murders involve black victims, virtually all of whom were killed by black murderers, and yet blacks comprise only 13% of the population.



    These are familiar numbers, but, as Williams points out, although more than half the "gun problem" can be laid at the feet of blacks, the gun debate never seems to mention this. If it were mentioned, the obvious thought that might occur is maybe it's blacks that need to be regulated and not guns.



    Three years ago I wrote the following in the prologue to my book They Came For Our Guns, They came For Our Freedom:



    "The single most important factor that has caused the political left to demand an end to private firearms ownership is that the underclass has, over the last fifty years, expanded exponentially, bringing with it an exponential increase in crime. Many of these criminals come from the single-parent families encouraged by the welfare system, a dysfunctional government give-away favored by the far left. The absence of fathers has led large numbers of children to seek gangs as a substitute for parenting not available at home. Not content with having created an entire class of welfare-bred criminals, the political left now seeks to protect this underclass by rendering ordinary citizens defenseless against crime perpetrated by these criminals."



    In sum, both blacks and whites are part of this criminal underclass, but, as Juan Williams points out, blacks, a 13% minority, are doing 54% of the killing and dying. That needs to be said.



    Why is this happening? According to Juan Williams, the out of wedlock birth rate for blacks is now 72%. This leads to more than 70% of black mothers being on welfare raising more than 70% of black children without fathers.



    That's part of the problem. Another part, Williams says, is: "a dysfunctional gangster-rap culture that glorifies promiscuity, drug dealers and the power of the gun."



    So now we have black culture of violence financed by the welfare system producing what are - by any measure - distorted values. One might think this needs to be addressed.



    Not so. The President of the United States recently invited the gangster rapper Jay-Z to his inauguration. Jay-Z is the black poster boy for the value system that Juan Williams says is destroying the black community. Inviting him to the presidential inauguration is, by implication, an endorsement of the mindlessness characteristic of Jay-Z and his supporters.



    But Obama is not a moralist. He is a politician who panders himself to the black vote and avoids criticizing the criminal culture that has enslaved his people. Obama made no move toward gun control until a white madman killed young children at Sandy Hook . In Obama's mind, that single act instantly transformed the "gun problem" into a white (not black) problem.



    It is about white misconduct, not about blacks, black culture or black behavior.



    Guess what. It's still about blacks. They are victims and killers in disproportionate numbers. An occasional white maniac does not erase that.

    People who want to reduce homicide by gun need to focus on curbing a black culture that has caused the problem in the first place.



    Banning guns to cure black murderousness, crime and cultural deficiencies is like banning popsicles to deal with an outbreak of the Ebola virus.



    http://williamlafferty.com/WilliamLafferty.com/Blog/Blog.html
     
  2. Stl Flyn

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    So what are the other 46%? The other 46% are not part of the problem?
     
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    I would think the other 46% are in large part affected by the same policies as the black community.You don't have to be black to be enslaved and indoctrinated by the failed policies of the welfare state.

    The question is are we going to take the rights of a huge majority,ie law abiding citizens,to try and protect the underclass that is perpetuated by the policies of the very politicians that are trying to take our guns.I say they might try.But if they try there is a good chance the shooting will start on a much grander scale.


    Darr
     
  4. timberfaller

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    Juan, like all liberals are always "late" to the debate!!!

    That has been know for decades, he is just now coming to grips with "reality" that always escapes liberals.
     
  5. rpeerless

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    Just a couple of points. Have American Blacks moved up the ladder and out to suburbia only to be replaced in cities by immigrant Blacks from third world countries?

    The statistics fail to report that some of those homicides are justified by law enforcement in police actions.

    Where are the guns in gun free cities coming from? Could they be smuggled in by a foreign entity (for example drug cartels) to deliberately sabatoge the American way of life? Or are we importing foreign crime with our lax immigration policies and failure to prosecute gun thieves to the fullest?
     
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    Mike,

    That is all very interesting but... Juan Williams is nontheless an apologist for the "Black community" and for all things liberal. The truth is that blacks are both the victims and the perpetrators in the demise of America. The Democrats discovered that they could corner the market on black votes by giving them gifts from the US Treasury. This would keep them on the Democrat "plantation" just as surely as did institutional slavery. The more gifts, the more votes.

    Unlike immigrants who came to America with nothing and prospered, eventually moving from the teeming cities in to the suburbs, blacks were restrained from doing that because they were sold a bill of goods that such behavior was "white". That being black required them to live packed together in crime ravaged public housinmg projects and living off "entitlements" which, in reality they were not entitled to at all.

    They preyed on one another which suited the limosine liberals, becasue they live in gated communities or high-rises with doormen and tight security. The liberals concluded correxctly that if this worked withj the blacks it will work with any group. All they needed to do was convinve people that somehow they were part of a group that was being treated unfairly and the had another dedicated constityuancy.

    There is little doubt that this has fatally wounded this great country. The last straw will be the "grand bargain" of comprehensive immigration reform.
    The America we knew is in its final days. What will replace it is likely a dictatorship.
     
  7. Big Al 29

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    Amen bird dog!!

    You speak the truth!
     
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    Flyn, Google "Ethnic crime rate in the US". Hispanics are right up there. It says 70% of the women arrested are Hispanic.

    Makes you want wonder about immigration.
     
  9. Chichay

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    Somebody is missing this point:

    54% of all murders are committed by 13% of the population.
    The rest of the murders (46%) are committed by 87% of the population.

    It is NOT that 46% of the murders do not count. It is that a small minority of the population (13%) COMMIT THE MAJORITY OF MURDERS.

    Chichay
     
  10. wireguy

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    I'll give you this 548. You are consistent.
     
  11. birdogs

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    Chichay,

    The major criticism of America by liberal Europeans is that we have so many more blacks incarserated than whites. It doesn't seem to matter to them that blacks commit so much more crime than whites, only that there are more of them in jail. By definition, that makes the US a racist country.

    In point of fact, it is the Americanj left wingers who are responsible since their policies are designed to keep blacks as a voting block and do not advocate or promote upward mobility for them. Listen to blacks who have made it in our society. They are mostly conservative and decry the fact that their fellow blacks have swallowed this stuff whole,
     
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    Juan Williams is a true rarity....a liberal with a functioning brain.
     
  13. Chichay

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    birdogs,

    Point of fact: I really don't give a hoot what those idiots think. You have already made a case why they should be ignored.

    Chichay
     
  14. timberfaller

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    Juan, was up to his usual speed, slow, on the Five again today!!!

    Spouting Bob Beckels propaganda! He does make a double for ole Bob when he is gone!!
     
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